That Chlorine Smell? That's You.

Should You Shower Before Getting in the Pool? Absolutely.

In this episode, Natalie Hood sits down with Jared Madero of The Grit Game to tackle one of the most ignored signs at aquatic facilities: "Please Shower Before Entering the Pool." Together, they explore why a simple 30-second rinse can significantly impact water quality, swimmer health, air quality, and operational costs. 

Topics Covered

•  Why pre-swim showers matter more than most swimmers realize 
•  The biological load every swimmer brings into the water 
•  Sweat, makeup, lotions, cologne, and personal care products in pools 
•  The difference between chlorinated water and sterile water 
•  Why the "chlorine smell" is actually a warning sign 
•  Chloramines and their impact on indoor air quality 
•  Why showering after swimming is just as important 
•  The shared responsibility between swimmers and pool operators 
•  Common misconceptions about public and commercial pools 
•  How swimmer behavior affects water clarity, chemical demand, and overall pool health 

Key Takeaway

A clean pool starts before you ever enter the water. Showering before and after swimming helps reduce contaminants, improve swimmer comfort, lower chemical demand, and create a healthier aquatic environment for everyone. 

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Transcript

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Welcome back to the Talking Pools podcast, your go-to source for everything wet, wild, and wonderfully misunderstood in the pool world. I'm Natalie Hood, Director of Education and Events for The Grit Game, and today we're diving into a topic that's hiding in plain sight at almost every pool across the country. You've seen the signs. Please shower before entering the pool. You know, most people walk right past them without a second thought. After all, if you're about to jump into thousands of gallons of water, why would taking a shower beforehand matter? Well, today's episode is all about busting that myth. And joining me today is Jared Madero's regional manager for the grid game. You know, Jared brings years of experience in pool service, operations, water chemistry, and consulting, and he's here to help separate fact from fiction when it comes to swimmer hygiene, water clarity, chemical costs, and public health. So today we're focusing on commercial pools and aquatic facilities, where showering before and after swimming, it's not just about keeping the water clean, it's about protecting swimmers, staff, air quality, and public health. So, Jared, first off, welcome to the show. And you know, you've been on uh the show before. You were actually one of my very first guests. So thank you again for coming back. But we have quite a few new listeners. So could you give our guests kind of a brief history of how you got into this industry and landed with the grid game?

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SPEAKER_02 4:36

Could you give our guests kind of a brief history of how you got into this industry and landed with the grit game?

SPEAKER_05 4:44

Absolutely. So I am a third generation. So I grew up in and around construction, this industry, things like that, everything from being a gopher and a chemical jug gatherer guy to all the way running job sites and now being uh a retail manager with the grit game.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

I love that. I love that. So a third generation generation. So you just you couldn't get out. There wasn't an option, it sounds like.

SPEAKER_05 5:11

No, no, it's as uh as as my siblings would probably very politely say, uh, we were slave labor. Yeah. My parents didn't have to pay to have us in and around job sites. So we always got the short end of that stick. Weekend jobs was where we lived a lot of times getting things done. Uh so I got to see all kinds of aspects of silly little, silly little things that come up here and there, like, why do I need to shower before I jump in a pool?

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Yeah, yeah. Well, I'll say, you know, listeners know that I grew up swimming um from a very early age all through high school, through summer, through college, and to this day I'm still a uh I I still swim. Actually, I had a very I've swam quite a few miles this week uh for a reason that I'm not gonna announce just yet, hence why my hair is up today. Um I I'm very tired. My arms are sore. But um that is one thing I will say, you know, talking about this big myth is that a lot of people just don't shower before they get in a pool. It's just it's not a thing. The showers are there and people just bypass them and the signs are there, but people, it it's it's like they're just there for decor, if you will.

SPEAKER_05 6:30

And so Yeah, I would say almost people, a lot of times when you go to water parks, you see other people like looking at the people showered before they get into the one the things at the water park. Like, what's that? Why is that what it why is that person doing that?

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. They're looking at them like, why are you taking a shower? You're about to jump into, like I said earlier, you know, a pool with thousands of gallons of water. What's the point? You're about to get wet. I don't, I don't see that the point of this. So it brings us to right into our first myth. And it's like, you know, my shower doesn't necessarily matter in a pool used by hundreds of people. And so let's let's get into that. I mean, why do commercial facilities put so much emphasis on pre-swim showers?

SPEAKER_05 7:14

Well, probably the biggest thing is is they're trying to control the the amount of load that they're gonna have. So many hundreds of people are gonna get into that water. And so I'm sure their thought process right off the rip, just like anybody else, would be okay, how can I limit how much bather load we're gonna bring in on a daily basis that my chemicals are gonna have to deal with? And I don't think people really understand what kind of bather load they bring to a body of water. So an average person is gonna be almost a gram an hour of a biological load to that body of water. That's a lot. And when you start compensating that for the numble number of people uh that the body of water is seeing, we've all been to a water park, we've all been in a lazy river. Start doing the math on that. It's a lot. There is a lot going on there. And so when you shower for 15, 60 seconds, not even anything crazy, just a rinse, you're immediately lowering that initial hit to that body of water, which which starts to equate to a lot of other things down the line. Um that's probably the biggest one, why it matters the most, at least at least initially.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Well, and you know, you know, with that, a lot I I don't think a lot of people realize uh, you know, of course, when you get in the water, the aquatics are used for many different activities, right? It's for swimming, um, water aerobics, uh playtime, right? But when you're in the water, you're sweating.

SPEAKER_05 8:56

Oh yeah. Yeah, you're you're you're sweating, there's there's a lot going on.

SPEAKER_02 9:00

You're sweating, and then so again, with like water aerobics in the morning, they typically have water aerobics, and uh you know, I gotta say, a lot of those women, they come in there hair full, their hair is up, there's hairspray in their hair, they've got that gorgeous makeup on. But a lot of the times, you know, if if there's a swimmer next to you, not me, of course, and you know, they happen to get splashed, you know, those chemicals are gonna go into the water. And I will tell you right now, those women are not showering off before they get in the water. Now, of course, they're not trying to get their hair and makeup wet, but some of that is getting into the water. And, you know, I'll I'll I have to be honest, if I were to get into the water uh with full makeup, I would look like a raccoon by the time I got out. I would have the darkest eyes ever. When I get into the water to swim, it's I am no makeup Nancy. I cannot have anything on my eyes or I will look like a raccoon.

SPEAKER_05 9:53

Uh yeah, it listen, I don't think they're doing the math on on what what's on them when they get out of the pool either.

SPEAKER_06 10:00

Yeah.

unknown 10:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:03

Because rinsing when you get in is is just as important as rinsing when you get out.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 10:09

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Well, and the other thing too, and you and I were actually, I think we were talking about this yesterday, was this is this is the one thing, and you know, I get it. Hey, if you're gonna of course, you know, you're going to water aerobics, um, you have your hair up, you don't plan to get it wet, totally understand. I get it. Um, you might put on a little bit of makeup, okay, I get it. But the one thing that I cannot stand is I'm doing my laps, I'm minding my business, and I don't mind sharing Elaine. But the one thing that I cannot stand is when I go to turn and take a breath, and I can taste someone's cologne. That is the worst.

SPEAKER_05 10:49

And it's all going in the water.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

Oh, it's awful. It's like they've taken a shower in their cologne. And then I I'm I'm swimming, and it's just like the whole all of the rest of the pool just taste of their cologne. And I can tell you right now, they are definitely not showering before. I think they've taken their shower in the pool.

SPEAKER_05 11:08

Uh, it's funny you say that. When I was first starting out, this is years and years and years ago, one of my chemical reps came by my shop and they were training us on the line. And a whole section of that slide deck where it's photos that were sent to her of people shaving in that that commercial pool and doing all kinds of mess in that commercial pool. And I always just look back on that and I think to myself, I'm like, oh man, like this is why those signs are there, shower before going in the pool.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Shaving in the pool?

SPEAKER_05 11:42

Oh yeah. Yes, shaving their legs on the side of the pool.

SPEAKER_02 11:46

Where are the lifeguards?

SPEAKER_05 11:49

Yeah, I'll ne I will, I will, I won't name drop her, but I'm telling you, if she's listening to this, she's laughing right now because she oh yeah, I'll never forget that. And you know, when you when you when you hear us talking about like showering before going in, it's summertime now, and a lot of us are gonna be at water parks, a lot of us are gonna be at the community pool. I encourage all of us, count how many people you see cleaning off from the sweat that they had walking in between getting out of a car to getting into the pool. And we also it's it's I'm in Florida right now. I think the index yesterday was over a hundred degrees. There's I sweat from getting out of my car to getting into the gas station. That's like under 100 yards. It's like 20 yards of a walk, and I'm already sweating. It's hot.

SPEAKER_06 12:43

Yeah.

unknown 12:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:44

Count how many people are showering before they get in that in that pool. I bet you you won't be able to count on on one hand because there'll be none.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

Well, no, you're absolutely right. I mean, I'm in I'm in Tennessee, and I actually I've been swimming every single day this week, and I have seen one person shower. One person shower outside myself. One person. And actually, I think they were showering after they got out of the pool. And then they went into the therapy pool.

SPEAKER_05 13:16

And you don't you don't notice it until you think about it. And then you start noticing it. And then you start thinking to yourself, huh? I there I probably should start doing that.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Yeah. No, that's well, yeah. It's it's absolutely crazy. But it's I I mean, I I might have to say well, actually, I did say something this morning to one of the guards, and you know, all of the guards there know me. Um actually, my girls go there on Wednesday nights. Uh, they do their swim lessons because again, mom can only teach them for so long because I'm mom, but I did say something to the guards. Um, they've gotten used to seeing me. They're like, oh, how long you going today? And I'm like, I'm gonna be here for a minute, and they'll tell other people that come in. They're like, she'll share the lane, but she's gonna be there for a while. But I told them today, I was like, if this guy comes in and does his 20-minute splash around again with this, this whatever cologne he has, we're gonna have a talk. He's gonna meet who this girl in this lane is because I just I can't stand it. It's and actually I have noticed on the days that he does come in and swim, I have headaches for a couple hours after.

SPEAKER_07 14:24

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:26

It's it's it and I know what people are thinking right now as we're saying this. I know what they're thinking, because I know when I make comments of this to people that come to our family's big pool for parties, right? Which is commercial size, like it's a big family pool. They always go, well, the pool's chlorinated. You don't you isn't the isn't there chlorine in the pool anyways? Isn't it chlorinated anyways? Isn't it clean? It's basically sterile.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Yeah. Well, and actually that that leads into the next one. If a commercial pool is chlorinated, it's basically sterile. You know, I I think that's a huge misconception that swimmers have about chlorine and sanitation.

SPEAKER_05 15:08

I think the biggest confusion is because the majority of people have no idea what a cycle is and how that equipment really works and what's going on, and how the chlorine really works in that water. Yeah, I mean, like there's chlorine in the water, and yeah, we're cleaning it, but that doesn't mean it's sterile. I mean, there's a big difference between chlorinated and sterile. It it's chlorinated and it's trying to do its job to filter and sterilize, but that doesn't mean it's it's by any means sterile. There's a bather load that that chlorine is trying to deal with. And there's a turnover rate that's going into that on top of the chlorine's work. Those filters are trying to handle. I think that's where the biggest disconnect is, is that that that idea of, oh, there's chlorine and it's clean, and not understanding turnover rate and how long it takes that chlorine to really break something down. Crypto is probably the scariest stuff we see uh in in our industry for something that chlorine has to attack. And you would have no idea that's in the water body, right? By just looking at it. Yeah, the water it's good to go. Jump on in. That's always the case.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

Yeah, that that's always my favorite myth. That one tends to come up quite a bit. Well, and you know, I I think too, again, we've talked about this myth a lot, is that, you know, the the the strong s'moring strong chlorine smell means that the facility is doing a great job. Um, you know, how often would you say that you find yourself explaining that the smell isn't actually a sign of a clean pool?

SPEAKER_05 16:54

Nonstop. I I still my nieces and nephews are now at the age where they have adopted the the pool pole and nets. I love that. And we had to go over the chlorine smell and how that works and things like that. And man, looking at their face when the realization of wait, that smell that we smell that I think of pools, that chlorine smell is because it's dirty. Like, yeah, that's that's the that's the gross stuff that the chlorine decadent. That's what you're smelling right now. It's called chloramine, not chlorine. There's a difference.

SPEAKER_07 17:34

And there it's the look, the look of shock of what?

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Yeah. Yeah, I no, and you you're absolutely right, because actually clean pools act they have very little smell to them.

SPEAKER_05 17:48

When I used to explain uh firing up pools when I would finish a build to homeowners, if they had kids, I'd always ask them, like, have you ever smelled a baby's mouth? They're like, What do you mean? I'm like, There's no way you have, because they have no smell. It's clean. It's a clean mouth. There's nothing wrong with it. There's no smelling it, it's all drool and and no smell. I'm like, okay, well, when when we all meet the guy at the bar who looks like he hasn't showered in a few days, and he leans over and goes, Can you pass the peanuts? That's the easiest way I would always equate. I'm like, if you can smell that pool, you need to go get a water test. Let's go find out how what's that, what's the load, what's the load on that system right now.

SPEAKER_02 18:33

Yep. Yeah, that's always I I I swim at the same pool tip almost every single day. And uh I you know, I know them, I know the directors, um, you know, again, the lifeguards, really good, really good group of people. You know, the I I love the aquatics uh family that we have and the group that, you know, I've been going there for a couple of years, but there there have been a few times I've walked in there and that smell will like smack me across the face, and I have like a long swim that day, and I'm like, oh man, and I'll walk up to the staff and I'm like, all right, what's going on? What's going on? Like, I I don't want to get in right now. Like, what will come on, just just give it to me. Like, let's cut through it. What what's going on? And I I and there have been times where I have gone to different pools because I'm not getting in there.

SPEAKER_05 19:21

And a lot of times, it at least for my nieces and nephews who currently are every single day at my mom's house swimming, because that's that's their exercise during the summertime, is they go to Mimi's house, they want to go swim all day. Well, when I show up in the afternoon to go have dinner, I can smell them when they come in the house. And I'm like, have you guys showered off yet? Because I can smell the chloramines on your skin, because that that's one of the big things I think people don't think about is just because you got out of that that water doesn't mean you didn't track the the chemicals and everything else drying and working on you still when you get out. And that that's probably like I would say it a massive myth on its own is you you you only need to shower before swimming.

SPEAKER_02 20:13

Yeah, no, I was actually gonna say that that's that's perfect. I mean, I I agree. I think a lot of people don't tend to shower after they swim. That's actually my favorite part is showering after I swim because I want to get all that chlorine out. I want to get it out of my hair, I want to get it off my body. I actually uh I will wash my swimsuit just about every single time as well. Like I have to wash it out just to maintain my swimsuit. But I'll tell you, I do a pretty good thorough washdown after I swim. And I can still, I can still smell it, even though I'm I do a quick clean. And I come home and my cats are like all over my feet. My orange one in particular, he's he is about it. I actually have to be careful when I come home because he will like try and not on my feet. And I'm like, dude, I don't know what you have, but like go. Like you're but he's also he's an orange cat, so that comes with it. But no, you're right. I think a lot of people, they they get out and they're like, oh, well, I've been in the pool, and so I don't have to shower. And I'm like, that's gross. You you definitely need to shower post swim.

SPEAKER_05 21:17

Oh, listen, I can I can speak from life experience of growing up with my mother being like, You worked out, you worked at this job site all day, go jump in the pool. Oh so like, you know, like I that was I grew up like that. Now I know better. Now I'm the now we're the opposite where the kids the kids have been doing stuff all day. I'm like, don't shower before you jump in that. And then they get out, and I'm like, Did you s you guys stop in in the pool room shower before you before you got out? Well, why do I gotta do that? The the pool's so clean. I'm like pool is is it's has chemicals that are are I would prefer not staying in your pretty blonde hair. It's gonna turn it green.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

Oh yeah. You know, I mean, and I think that's what people forget that there's chemicals in the water.

SPEAKER_05 22:04

Yeah. Like there's we're putting stuff in that water to to keep it safe for us to swim. That doesn't mean it's safe for us to drink, and it doesn't mean you want it to stay on your skin either. I know my one of my nephews, Mason, he has eczema. And if he doesn't get that washed off, it gets raw. Why does it get raw? And so he's one of the big, big reasons why we push, make sure you shower when you get out. Don't let that water dry on your skin. It stacks up quick. I'm sure you know you you're training right now, swimming every single day. Like, man, I can only imagine how dry your skin would be if you didn't shower after getting out of that pool after swimming so many laps.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

Yes. I actually I have very sensitive skin to different soaps, to different lotions. And so I've actually had to invest in some special soap that I have to use because if I don't, I will get flare-ups. And it's just, it's not good. And yes, I will say during the during this type of training that I'm doing, I have like allerg alligator skin. And so actually, even last night, my youngest, she was like, Mommy, your skin's not stopped right now. You need to put lotion in. And I was like, Thanks, babe. Love you too. But yeah, you have you definitely need to shower off before, you need to shower off after. It's just you have to protect your skin, you have to protect your hair, you have to protect yourself. Swimming is it's it's wonderful, but you just have to be careful. You have to respect the water and you have to be good for your health. You know another myth too, you know, what we've talked a lot about lifeguards, but people tend to think that maintaining water clarity is really entirely the operator's responsibility.

SPEAKER_07 23:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:58

That's man, that's pro I I love that one. Mostly because I I was an operator.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

Yeah, I'm on the swimmer's side, and you're the operator. You know?

SPEAKER_05 24:11

And like I mean, yeah, uh, you hear it constantly. It's the operator's problem. It's not my problem. Somebody else is gonna deal with this. It's not me. And you know, if look at it like littering. Like, well, that's the trash man's problem to pick up all the litter on the side of the road. Well, but it's not. We gotta make sure we're not littering, otherwise the side of the road's gonna look really awful and no one's gonna want to be around the road. So, you know, yes, the operator has a responsibility, but if you're using it, you share a portion of that responsibility. You need to be taking care of what you're using at the same time. Because that operator only gets to work on it when he's directly looking at it.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

Right.

SPEAKER_05 24:56

You might not be there when he's there.

SPEAKER_02 24:59

What would you say is one swimmer habit that creates the biggest challenge for operators?

SPEAKER_07 25:15

Not showering before getting in.

SPEAKER_05 25:17

They're carrying all that stuff. Like, I'm not kidding you. There are that's the easiest way to solve most problems with a recreational body of water is wash the stuff off you're walking into it with the phosphates, the nitrogens that stack up really fast. And the more people there is, the faster it loads, and the harder the chemicals I'm using have to work. And so that's probably where I would go for like that. Is just the easiest one to stop to nip in the butt quick and easy. Just shower before you get in my pool, please. Shower, please shower before you get in my pool. My chemicals will work more efficiently, and it's gonna be a more enjoyable time for you at the same. Uh, because you're not gonna get all the chloramine smells, right? It's gonna be more enjoyable while you're enjoying that recreational body water.

SPEAKER_02 26:15

Well, before we judge our next Smith, something that I want to bring up. So we're focusing on commercial today. And I was a lifeguard for well over 10 years. I did uh commercial, I did, I did do private, I uh lifeguarded for summer camps, I did beach lifeguarding, and I did lifeguard in California, I did lifeguard in Georgia, North Carolina, Colorado. I've done lifeguarding all over. And one thing that just kind of I thought about you know, as a lifeguard, you are to enforce rules. I'm wondering why the lifeguards aren't enforcing more people to shower before they're getting in the pool. At some of the pools I worked at, the lifeguards were very much on top of it. They were like, hey, no, you need to shower before you get in the pool. But I'll say, not calling out the where I swim, um, because I love them. They're absolutely fabulous. But I don't think I've seen no, I have not seen one lifeguard even touch it with a 10-foot nor a hundred foot pole, stopping anyone to say, hey, you need to shower before you get in.

SPEAKER_05 27:32

Yeah, uh well, you know, that all goes back to to to training. You know?

SPEAKER_07 27:38

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

Are they getting trained to know why they need to recommend it? Or is it just one of those things where they walk in and they go, Oh yeah, there's that sign again.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

No, you're very that that's very true.

SPEAKER_05 27:51

Like we had we had a cardboard compactor at our truckyard, and I had those big yellow lines at the front of the cardboard compactor, and I can't tell you how many guys I'd catch on camera standing inside the yellow lines while it compacted, and I could pull them in my office and go, hey, are you doing that? No, I'm not doing that. Okay, well, well, here's exhibit A. You standing inside the yellow lines this day all through these days. Please don't do that. Well, why can't I do it? Well, good grave. We need to have a safety briefing now.

SPEAKER_06 28:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:26

Safety thing.

SPEAKER_06 28:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:29

You JD is a great example. Anybody who's familiar with JD Just Dog, all right. He's my cohort on a lot of job sites. He loves going in pools. Like that's his thing. He loves jumping in pools. But JD, I mean, I am with him all the time, so I have a good idea of what he's getting into all the time. So I know, okay, I gotta really wash him down and actually bathe him, right, with a proper shape before I can let him get into these commercial pools.

SPEAKER_06 28:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:56

That's not because I want him to be clean, that's because I don't want him to carry something into that pool that I that someone shouldn't be exposed to. You have no idea what you were walking around. I I would get told all the time, well, I shower this every morning, so I'm clean. Yeah, you were clean for the first like probably 15 minutes, and then you you left your house and entered the world. We're not clean anymore. Right? You stepped at the gas station, you got a drink, you interacted with the coffee shop lady in Starbucks. Like, we're not as clean as we were anymore. Let's wash that dirty off. Right? Let's wash the dirty off before we just introduce it. So yeah, I think it goes more towards training.

unknown 29:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 29:45

Are they we explained to why it's so important that they in the papers, hey, please just rinse off before you get in this pool. Not just for like my pool's sake, but for everybody else in the pool's sake. Like, it's not just you. Like there is other people there too.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I will tell you the cologne guy, if if he doesn't start washing off, I'm just gonna have I'm just gonna bring the hose from out back and just spray them off because I can't taste that cologne anymore. It's killing me. But you know, another thing too is people tend to think that indoor pools are safer because they're protected from the elements.

SPEAKER_05 30:25

Yeah. Well, I mean, that's probably one of the biggest misnomers, probably mostly because people don't have access to indoor pools as common as outdoor pools or exposed pools, right? But those chloramines that we talked about earlier, the buildup from sweats and things like that inside the inside the body of water, um, if those aren't getting vented away, that that floats above the water body. That's that jumping out of the pool and you're floating around having a good time. You're like, man, why are my eyes sting so bad? It's the chloramines. And if they're not moving enough air consistently and people aren't showering before getting in the pool, or like the cologne guy for your example, the cologne guy's a great example, it's not going anywhere. And it over so much time, that really affects people over time. Uh, as users of the recreational water, we might not be you for sure are spending a lot of time inside maybe an indoor pool. So you could say, I know, hey, listen, it's it's harder for me to breathe at the end of this day. Because I've been around those chloramine so long. Those lifeguards are gonna say something similar, probably. Like, hey, you know, there was a heavy there, it was 4th of July weekend this weekend. We had way more people than normal, and the chloramine smell was really heavy. Like, it's just a little harder for me to breathe today. That's that's what happens. It and it's usually the employees and the operators that deal with that the most than maybe say the person enjoying that pool. And that kind of comes back to like what I said earlier. It's not showering before isn't just like for yourself, it's really for not everybody else. Be courtesy, courtesy, uh have courtesy for everyone around you. And those operators fall in that. Just because it's indoor doesn't mean it's it's still the same recreational body water exposed to the same bather loads.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Well, I mean, the this guy needs a he needs a fire hose. It's so bad. But I've actually um, you know, I'm I'm gonna be swimming outside tomorrow just to actually avoid it. Just I I can't take another day of it. I was I've been having headaches, and I thought maybe my goggles were too tight or my swim cap was too tight. And I'm like, no, I don't think that's what it is. I think I think it's him. I think it's cologne guy. I think it's I mean, again, I've I had been in there for a couple hours during one of my longer swims the other day, and he came in and I think my headache was triggered within five minutes, and it stayed with me up until the end of the day. And I I thought, well, shoot, I've eaten, I've eaten all the protein pancakes. I've had more than my 120 ounces of water. Like, I don't, I don't know what I'm doing. I've gotten good sleep, I've taken my vitamins, and I was just like, I think it's cologne guy. And then actually he walked by me the other day and I was like, ugh. So I I'm gonna try an outdoor pool tomorrow. Um But yeah, no, it's it's just don't wear perfume or cologne indoors like that. Come on, guys. Like you can definitely shower off. It's at least if you're swimming next to me, I just please do me a solid and just don't do that. And you know, one of our last myths on commercial is that public people and this is a big one. I think this is other than the showering one, is that this is my other favorite one, is that public pools are dirtier than backyard pools.