Dogs, Crocodiles, Koi, and Pool Chemistry: When Animals Use the Pool Down Under

This week on Mondays Down Under, Lee Salisbury, Shane Melrose, and Nick discuss one of the more unusual sides of the pool industry: pools built for animals. What starts as a conversation about winter swimming temperatures quickly turns into a fascinating look at dog splash parks, crocodile enclosures, equestrian facilities, koi ponds, and the unique water quality challenges that come with maintaining aquatic environments that weren't designed for humans. 

Nick shares his experience servicing a commercial dog splash pad attached to a boarding kennel and dog daycare facility. Complete with water features, filtration systems, UV sanitation, ORP control, and large hair-catching pre-filters, the installation demonstrates just how much engineering can go into keeping canine swimmers safe while maintaining water quality. The hosts discuss the realities of servicing these facilities, from dealing with dog hair and elevated sanitizer demand to understanding what pathogens and contaminants may be introduced by animal bathers. 

The conversation expands into public aquatic facilities that host special dog-swimming events after the regular swimming season ends. Lee describes a commercial pool that transforms into a dog-friendly attraction before winter closure, complete with dog treats, pup cups, and scheduled swimming sessions. The hosts explore why these events have become popular while also examining the additional maintenance and sanitation concerns that come with allowing animals into traditionally human-focused aquatic environments. 

Along the way, the team shares stories from the field, including crocodile enclosure maintenance, pools converted into fish ponds, koi installations, dogs trapped under pool covers, kangaroos damaging vinyl liners, and other unexpected encounters that remind listeners that pool service often extends far beyond residential backyards. 

The discussion also dives into commercial pool design and operations, including Australia's practice of color-coding commercial plumbing systems to identify filtered water, unfiltered water, waste lines, and chemical treatment circuits. The hosts explain how these visual systems help technicians navigate complex plant rooms and improve troubleshooting efficiency. 

Finally, the group reviews sanitation considerations for splash pads and interactive water features, including secondary sanitation requirements, UV systems, ozone treatment, pathogen control, chlorine contact times, and the challenges of maintaining safe water quality in facilities with high bather loads and small water volumes. The episode concludes with practical advice for service professionals managing pools where pets are frequent swimmers and why proper filtration, sanitation, and maintenance become even more important when four-legged bathers are involved. 

In This Episode

•  Commercial dog splash pads and daycare aquatic facilities 
•  Filtration and sanitation challenges created by animal bathers 
•  Public pools that host dog swimming events 
•  Crocodile enclosures, equestrian pools, and koi pond conversions 
•  Commercial plant room plumbing color-coding systems 
•  UV, ozone, ORP, and splash pad sanitation requirements 
•  Microbiological concerns associated with animal swimming 
•  Practical maintenance recommendations for pools used by pets 
•  Real-world field stories from Australia and New Zealand 
•  Why dog hair may be one of a technician's biggest challenges 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Good afternoon, good evening, good morning, good whatever time of the day it is that you are listening to us. It is time for Mondays Down Under on the Talking Pools Podcast. Thanks so much for being with us. I'm Lee. I'm the pool shop coach, and I'm on the east coast of Australia, in a little town called Maringula, on the far south coast of New South Wales. And I am joined, as always, by my wonderful esteemed colleagues, Shane in Auckland, New Zealand. Hey Shane, how are you?

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Very good. As you can see behind me, this is Auckland, New Zealand, East Coast.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

For those who are watching the video, you'll see what Shane's talking about. He's on a lovely tropical location. Looks like more like Hawaii, Vanuatu, BG, somewhere like that. Not New Zealand. Certainly not Auckland, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

No, not today. The weather has been absolutely shocking. So I needed something to brighten me up, put a smile on my face. So I think this is a perfect butt drop. In the meantime, of course you do. Both of you do.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Well, I'm clearly the coldest because I'm sitting in a puffer jacket with actually an electric blanket on my knees. So but I am a cold frov. And of course we are joined by Nick in Brisbane. Hey, Nick, how are you? Is it warm up there at least?

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Uh I think the girls actually went for a swim on the weekend, so the it's cold for us, but the pool's about 20 degrees, I think it is. So but yeah, they were still brave enough to jump in. Oh my lord, 20 degrees. The novelty hasn't worn off yet. Have they got wetsuits? They just come out blue.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

I actually had a client once that we were replacing a vinyl liner for, and she had three boys. And at that time, I don't think I had any kids. Actually, I might have had one or two. They might have they were only little anyway, because I've got three boys. So I said to her, like, we're planning to replace your vinyl liner. We'd like to do it during the uh June, July months, like when it's quieter and biz business is not as busy and we'll have time to do it. And she said, Yeah, that's absolutely fine. Can you just not do it during the school holidays? I said, Yeah, absolutely, that's fine. And you go going away? And she went, Oh no, the kids don't want to swim. That's like seriously, that water is going to be freezing cold. It's the middle of winter. And she said, Yeah, they wear their wetsuits, they're boys. So she said it's just as warm as the ocean. Actually, the ocean's sometimes warmer, but yeah, crazy kids anyway.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

So not for me. I'm I'm not built for the cold, so you won't find me in there.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

No, I'm a 28 degree girl. If the water is not 28 degrees, I do not get in it.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

And you can feel the difference early between 28 and 27th?

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Oh yeah. I can. I can.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

It's funny you should say that we've got a commercial spa, an indoor spa set of 38 degrees, and some of the tenants complain that it's too cold, that it needs to be a 39. Really? That one degree, I mean, this is a spar bow, 38, 39 degrees Celsius. But yeah, it's something about the uh the female, the in it inner temperature sense that they have. It's far better than the male inner temperature, I think.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

No sense, no feeling. Is that the saying that you're trying to think of? I actually did have an indoor pool that was used for swimming lessons and remedial therapy. So they were very particular that it had to be at 32 degrees all the time. And their heating system was really good, their control system was really good. But guaranteed on those cold blastery wintery days when the ambient air temperature was cold, that 32 degrees did not feel like 32. It felt colder. So it's amazing what that ambient air temperature can do to how you feel that temperature of water. I also got in trouble one day because we used to have a spa in our shop. And when my eldest son used to get off the school bus and he'd come running into the shop, and he was only, I think he was six at the time, and he would strip his clothes off, get down to his jocks and do that nudie run, almost nudie, run from the back of the shop to the front to jump in the spa because I had it heated for him. And he loved it. Well, one day through summer, I thought he won't want to be, it's a hot day. He won't want to be in it at 32 degrees. I'm gonna turn the temperature down and I turned it down to like 28, 29. So sorry, that would have been hotter. It was actually at 38, and I turned it down to 32, that's right. And he got in it and he went, This is too cold. And it was like it's hot outside, surely. Like anyway, so it was it was a popular afternoon pastime for him when he got off the school bus. But talking of jumping in and enjoying pools, today we're talking about pool goers that aren't your normal pool goers. We've had some conversations around doggy pools and alligator pools, crocodile pools, weird pools, wonderful pools, but doggy pools. We've I suppose there's uh Nick, I think you here you've got a pool at a facility that is like a doggy daycare, and they have a pool, is that right?

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Yeah. Yeah, so probably let's say twelve months ago, we just got the phone call. Hey, can you guys come out and and we need someone to maintain this pool, but you're gonna need to come out and have a look at it. It's like, okay, what's the what it got me intrigued? What's going on with this one? And so what it is is a splash pad for dogs. So it's at a boarding kennel, and yeah, there's you you can find 20, 30 dogs running around, it's got mushrooms with water features, it's got jets, it's got blowers, it's got everything. So all fed through into an underground tank with big commercial grade filtration on it as well. So, yes, I I had to go out there and have a look at it because I don't know the first thing about dogs or looking after doggy splash pools. Is there any legislation? Does the Queensland State Guidelines carry over to that leak?

SPEAKER_00 6:38

As long as it's not being used by humans, I don't think there is a problem. I have actually, I do know of an aquatic facility in central Victoria that is a commercial pool. And at the end of the swimming season for the general public, for the two-legged kind, the human kind, they actually close the pool to the humans and they open it up for dogs. And I think they do that before they drain the pools, they actually drain their pools for the winter season. And so I think they give it sort of the last few days. And I think it's actually they do it for like a period of two weeks, and people actually have to book their time slot to bring their dogs in to swim and enjoy the the facilities. They even the kiosk, they actually take over the kiosk and sell dog biscuits and pappuccinos and all of the doggy icy poles, all of those things. And it's a real money maker for this aquatic facility that people want to be able to bring their dogs for for a swim and to have a play and and that type of thing. So yeah, somebody's made something out of nothing. I don't know that I would be so inclined to let a dog swim in my pool. My dog is a fluffy little thing that often sits on the couch behind me, but she's not there today. And she detests water, she won't go near it, which is quite fine by me. But my son has a big black lab who would love to go swimming in our pool and whose hair is in my pool regardless because the wind just blows it in. Thank God we put skimmer socks in. The amount of hair that gets caught in those skimmer socks, and that dog does not even swim in our pool is amazing. So, yeah. Dogs are a no for me in my pool.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Yeah, so this one was really interesting. It was like, what am I gonna test for? What am I gonna find out on site? So, you know, worrying about the dog hair and knowing about the dog hair and how much chlorine dogs use compared to the average two-legged person. Yeah, so what this setup specifically was an underground tank, um, but it has two massive pre-catchment um filters in front of the pump for all that hair. Um, but then it's got normal pool filtration, it's got ORP sensor, pH sensor, uh, a couple of sand filters and uh UV on it as well. So they've really done a good job with this with this setup for this for this pool.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Clearly spent a lot of money on it. Like, let's face it, splash pads aren't cheap at the best of times. They are quite an investment, especially the mushrooms. I had somebody tell me once they needed to replace, and it was just like a small feature. Uh, I think it was like, you know, the guns that you direct that shoot the water. Like, it's not really a gun, but like they call them a gun because they shoot the water and you can direct them. But they're quite simple. And I think it was something like $15,000 a gun. It was like ridiculous, very expensive. So they've clearly invested a lot of money in it. They haven't scribbled on the equipment by the look of the plant room. So must cost a lot to send your dog to doggy daycare there.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Yeah, I'm not too sure how much how how much it is, but yeah, I probably can't afford it.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

It's like it's like the elite schools of the doggy daycare.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Yeah, they had some other interesting challenges because the dogs were in there one day when we went, so it was like, oh my goodness, you know, are we allowed to go in here with all these dogs? They're running crazy, and you've got to go through one gate and another gate, another gate, and you've got to make sure you close those gates, otherwise you'll be chasing a lot of dogs.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Yeah, it's it really brings out a new level of respect for or consideration, who let the dog out. Like you you you worry about one dog at one pool. Like, I've had technicians do that, let the dog out, chase it around the neighborhood. But to let out a whole heap of them? No, I I would assume though, with the water going on, with all the activity and the dogs having so much fun, they're probably the last thing they want to do is escape.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Yes, no, it does look like paradise for dogs.

SPEAKER_02 10:57

Yes. It does. I'm looking at the photos, Nick, and that does. It looks quite amazing, to tell you the truth. Like uh the actual splash pad itself, yeah. You can see they've invested a lot of money in that. But uh just going back to the equipment as well, one thing I found that was very interesting is the coloured plumbing that you have. So it is, I mean, it looked just for the rest of the uh the audience out there, it's it's it's a normal plant room. You've got one pump divide diverted off into two filter uh two filters, two sand folders. You've got your chemical dosin system, but the plumbing is on this particular one is blue, green, and white. And when I first seen that, it's like can the Australians have like blue or green PVC? Like what the hell's going on there? And it blew my mind actually.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

Yeah, we have Technicolor P PVC.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

It looks that way.

unknown 12:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

So can you explain a little bit more on that one, Nick? For me as well, and I guess a lot of the the uh the listeners out there outside of Australia.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Yeah, so we it's quite common in our commercials here to have the PVC actually painted a specific colour depending on whether it being the unfiltered water coming in, the filtered water coming out, the hot water for uh heat pumps, uh chlorinated water, different colour as well, so which is generally purple, your backwash, which is your waste, which is which is brown, so uh makes it a lot easier to follow the pipe work to know exactly where everything goes and what everything does.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Yeah, not happening with that in New Zealand in New Zealand. And seeing it personally, I d I couldn't call it for the whole country. It m it maybe. I mean, it makes a lot of sense. This particular commercial setup was it. I don't even know if you could call it a commercial setup, a donkey donkey part setup, but uh there's not a huge amount of plumbing. So if even if everything was white, it would be fairly easy to find. But yeah, it makes sense when you go into a plant room and there is just a spaghetti junction of plumbing. So with it all being colour-coded, I makes makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

It'd be pretty standardly, wouldn't it? You would see it on a few commercials that you go to.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Some of the bigger ones.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

The big commercials that I've been to, it is very standard. So the the green for the unfiltered water, the blue for the filtered water is your most common. Some plant rooms just have that. The purple is a little less common. Waste is is usually yeah, brown. It's not uncommon to see that as marked as brown. But yeah, so we paint the paint paint the pipework. So to show the the path or the the the flow of the water through the system, which yeah, is really is really smart, especially in these big complex plant rooms, so that you really know what what pipe is what. Often they're marked, which obviously is helpful as well, but but having that very clear visual of the coloured pipes makes it so much easier to to follow the flow. So quite common.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

Well, it's a big one, so I would like to get jobs like this, you know, and do uh you know, a complete equipment overrun. That would be nice.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Uh no scooping with that one, nothing to scoop. So Are you sure about that? Uh yeah, it depends which a pooper scooper. Yes, I often wondered what what nasties would still be hiding in that water. Whether, you know, obviously the dog's not gonna complain that he's got sore eyes or, you know, is feeling a little bit unwell from from some nasty bugs. So I wondered I I I wondered if there is any microbiologicals hiding in there.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

I'm sure there would be, Nick. Just out of curiosity, where would you just look another splash pad, where were you where would you take the water sample from?

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Is there like a Yeah, so in the center as a s in the centre there's a stainless steel grate, which is the catchment, but that runs to an underground tank. So I don't think it's in the photos, but there is a like a manhole cover that you can pull up to to look at the underground tank that it sucks the water out of and returns back to the to the splash pad and and back in. So yeah, out of the manhole generally, because there's no um there's no sample point, unfortunately, in that one.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

So a lot of the commercial s uh setups do have a sample point, generally just before the sensing probes, so that uh you can take a sample off straight off the line and and do your tests there. But otherwise the well is definitely that the holding tank is definitely the the spot to to take the sample from. But yeah, splash splash pads are a very specific, I say kettle of fish, but not really a kettle of fish, is it? But a very specific facility that you need to make sure that you adhere to legislative requirements. So most of the splash pads that we have around the place, so are public splash pads. They're in ran by councils or they're in commercial setups like caravan parks, resorts, and high bather loads, very small body of water, because the body of water is actually in a tank generally under the ground, and it's usually not much more than a few thousand litres. And so you need to make sure that uh I think it's actually a requirement on all of the East Coast, Queensland, New South Wales, and Victoria, that splash pads must have a secondary sanitizing system on them. So they have to have UV or ozone on them. And of course, if it's ozone, it has to be quenched before it gets back to um the water. Because you've got a lot of aeration there. You've got um increased risk of Legionnaire's disease, which can be fatal if it's that inhalation of the water vapors that can cause that. So you've really got to make sure uh that your water condition is absolutely tip-top. And that's why they do have that stipulation of the secondary sanitization system and no stabilizer. That's the big thing, because the water's actually held under the ground or in a tank where it's not exposed to UV light. So we want to make sure that the moment it's being sanitized, it has the best or the most rapid contact time with any bacteria or pathogens that that chlorine can come in contact with, that it's not impeded by the stabilizer level or slowed down, let's say, by the stabilizer level. So yeah. But that's for the human, the two-legged kind. So have we dealt with any other animals with pools, you guys? Because I know Rudy's said that he actually has done equestrian centers. I know they're not uncommon, but I can't say I've I've worked on one.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

No, I've driven past. There was a property I used to look after, and I drove past one. I could see it had pool filtration on it, had us two saltwater chlorinators, two uh sand filters. Um so, but yeah, no, never had the had the pleasure of working on one.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Uh Scott has wo looked after a crocodile enclosure before, had to work on that. So they did remove, I think they at one point they removed the cro one of the crocodiles from the enclosure while he was working on it. Um, because he had to go in and do some work in the actual body of water. And uh then he could see another one tucked under the bushes further up, but he kept his eye on it all the time. But yeah, they were only they were only little crocodiles, they weren't anything big. But other than that, I can't really I've had, like I've talked about before, I've had a kangaroo be in a pool that wasn't meant to be there and tore the sh the liner to shreds. I've had a dog pass away in a pool because it got caught under the cover and didn't get found until the opening of the next swimming season, which wasn't very pleasant. Unfortunately, it was the neighbour's dog and it had been missing for a while and they found where it was. But no, other than that.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

We had one customer come into our shop and he had a uh he was growing fish commercially in an above-ground pool, but it was over on one of the islands, so we didn't go and see it, but yeah, he came in and wanted some testing and said, Can we come and go do some filtration? And I just said, I didn't want a bar.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

I did have a client that turned a pool into a koi pond, so he was doing something similar, and a koi apparently are worth a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

So it's interesting because over here the classes are pests and they kill them, which is uh yeah, which is quite bizarre actually, but some of the some of the other countries they they pay a lot of money for koi carp. Yes. Which is quite interesting. Yes. You almost say you know what they remind me of? A natural pool. It's kind of what they remind me of.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Oh, a natural pool. Well, that's really opening up a can of worms, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Um I've had to we've had one customer that had that we were converting their pool back from having fish into it, uh into a normal swimming pool, and that was almost the most horrible job I've ever done because we had to I had to scoop out fish out of this pool to drain it. Fish all through the skimmer box, like terrible terrible. Terrible many years ago now.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

Were they dead or alive?

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Um they were in various stages.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

And I could only imagine the silts and crap that's on the bottom of the pool and the stink. Oh, the stench would have been horrendous.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Oh, it was not good. Like all these I I mainly remember the little like guppies sort of size ones that were just after we'd got most of them out and most of the greenery and the pot plants and everything like that, that I was sort of assisting one of the other technicians at the time and yeah, we'd added some chlorine in it and the rest is yeah, putting I try and put it out of my mind.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Is that what they call it? PTSD. No, well, I have to say, other than well, customers that like their dogs to swim in their pool. Which I suppose some people do. It's their pool, it's their prerogative. I can say as a service technician, it's not the nicest job having to scoop out dog hair and clean out skimmer baskets and heaven knows what's in the That filter when you eventually need to to clean it out. And then that makes me think, that's what's filtering your pool. So if it's harbouring all that bacteria and dog hair and that sort of thing in in the filters, like, yeah, no. And what do they say? The the old wives' tale is is it one one dog is equivalent to fifty humans? That's what we're always told, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Yes. That's uh we need to we need to investigate that myth.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Yes. So the beta load of that splash pad would be quite substantial. So I would imagine. Now, was it a doggy daycare or was it like a boarding kennel where you can put your dogs in for a holiday, so to speak?

SPEAKER_01 22:45

It's a bit of both. It they do both on site. So yeah, there's a lot of people that just bring their dogs in for the day to socialise and play. And and also I think long term they're going away on holidays.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

Yeah, it's such a good idea. It's such a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

It's a lot of money to invest, though that would have been that setup would have been a pretty expensive setup. That's a lot of overnight stays to pay for.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Most definitely.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Yeah. So. But anyway, so if you want to let your dog swim in your pool, that's completely up to you, but I won't swim in it after it.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

Yeah, so I've been the bearer of bad news many times to customers. Oh, can my dog swim in the pool? Well, I don't recommend it, but yeah. You do what you want.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

People just don't realize at the end of the day, you know, that's I think again, it just comes down to education. I think if you were to say to them, you know, one dog is the equivalent to 50 people going into your swimming pool at once, that could well be enough to put them off.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

And if we say don't drink the butt water, do you really want to drink the dog water? So if you're a service technician out there and you've got a client that likes their dogs to swim in their pool, then you have my absolute pity. I'm sorry. I don't know that we can do anything to help with the situation. Obviously, make sure your sanitizers are are always at high good to high levels and make sure you're keeping those filters clean. Probably uh regularly doing a filter clean in degrees would be advisable using skimmer socks to to pick up the dog hair. And I would say probably going as far as giving it a regular dose of C5 tablets just to make sure you're really knocking things on the head. Remember, contact time is is really important. And when it comes to a coli and guardia, the the more simple uh pathogens and bacteria, obviously that can make us sip, but they're more they're easier to kill. They uh will will be killed off uh quite quickly with a a good to slightly high uh chlorine level, so very easily overcome, but it comes down to cryptospritium. Remember, I think it's like 10.3 weeks of normal chlorine levels to actually kill crypto. So you want to definitely make sure that you are keeping a uh a high, good to high chlorine level in your pool. And if in doubt, chuck in some C5 to uh give it an extra hit. And uh that contact time with crypto for C5 is uh only a few hours. I think it's something like five hours. So well, well worth investing in. Either that or just keep the dogs out. Who let the dogs out? Who kept the dogs out? Let's let's keep the dogs out.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Turn the sprinkler on, let them run around. Don't don't throw them in the pool.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Yes, yes. I'll be the I'll I'll be the bad person that says, no, your dogs cannot swim.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

It might even be worth to uh sorry, it might even be worth to do a microbiology microbiological test. Well with excuse me, if there is a dog going into the pool on a regular basis, just to be on the safe side.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Yeah, it it would be. I don't know that it would pick up like I know the microbiological tests typically do heprophic counts, so E. coli, Pseudomonas, Gardia, and then um Cryptospritium. Now, a good chlorine level should eradicate all of those except for crypto. So it as long as you're keeping a close eye on your chlorine level, it should get rid of most of those things. But is there other bugs and bacteria and pathogens that the dogs can bring in? I don't know. Will they show up on a pathology test, a microbiological test? Again, that's something I I don't know whether they actually test that full range. Maybe it's their dogs carry other pathogens that are something that we don't test for. So I'm I can't be a hundred percent sure on that one. But yeah, it'd be it'd definitely be interesting to see the results, that's for sure. So listeners, I hope you got something interesting out of that. Doggy daycares with splash pads. So who would have thought your dog can have a holiday or a fun day at daycare while you're at work or on holidays? But yeah, an equestrian pools, all sorts of things. So we're not we're not the only ones that enjoy aquatic facilities, more than just the two-legged kinds out there that enjoy having a swim and having a splash. And you never know when you might come across that in your line of work. So hopefully today is giving you a little bit of insight into that. And maybe if you get your head in a commercial plant room, you might see those green and blue pipe work setups. They're pretty, pretty flash. But anyway, thank you, Nick. Thank you, Shane.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

Excellent, thanks, Shane.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Thank you, listeners. Uh, again, join us same time next week for Mondays down under on the Talking Pools podcast. And if you have any topics, any suggestions, make sure that you drop us a line at talkingpools at gmail.com and Rudy will dish that out to the most applicable podcast show host. So again, thank you for listening and we will see you next week. Cheers, guys.