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Steve Barnes joins Rudy & Andrea via satellite radio transmission from an undisclosed location to discuss the laws regarding swimming pool suction outlets (Main drains, dedicated vacuum lines, etc) that were put in place to prevent disembowelment and entrapment of children (and adults). The original law went into effect on December 19, 2008, However vital updates and changes were made in 2021. Listen now - see how this affects your swimming pool.

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Transcript

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[rudy]: hang guyes, it's Rudy Stankowitz and I am here with my co host. Andrean Nannini,

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[andrea_nannini]: Hello, it's me.

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[rudy]: it is Andrea. I can see her. You can't, but I can see her, so I will vouch for her

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[rudy]: that it is her, And we also have a guess today. We have Steve Barne, Steve Barnes is

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[rudy]: the

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[rudy]: science and compliance director at Aquest Star Products, and he's going to talk with

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[rudy]: us a little bit today about some of the v, g, u b a stuff,

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[Steve Barnes]: Hello, Everyone plays the tun. I am honoured to be here and join it.

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[rudy]: Virginia Gra Baker Act, And there's been some changes this year, so Steve say hello,

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[rudy]: Everybody.

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[rudy]: Well, we

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[andrea_nannini]: we are. Yes.

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[rudy]: are arning to have you here and I know this is going to be a treat. a special treat

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[rudy]: for our guests. So um,

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[rudy]: how are you doing today? I mean this'. this has been one weird season for us. I don't

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[rudy]: think I've ever been through one where there's been so many Um out of stocks.

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[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, uh, no, I've been in the industry since nineteen eighty four, as a a

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[rudy]: Have you

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[Steve Barnes]: research and development tech. It was a summer job kind of gig. I think people

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[Steve Barnes]: have heard that story before, right, and then, some thirty seven years later,

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[Steve Barnes]: still doing the

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[rudy]: okay?

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[Steve Barnes]: same thing, Although now I'm running a state of the art law.

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[rudy]: Yep,

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[Steve Barnes]: Uh, I so certified laud for for Aqurasar, so that's pretty cool. but really my

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[Steve Barnes]: life has just been surreal simply because we and the pool industry are

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[Steve Barnes]: essential. I think our audio snows out, but the other thing is because we had

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[Steve Barnes]: the federal drain cover, Um. deadline

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[andrea_nannini]: yeah,

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[Steve Barnes]: of May twenty fourth, twenty twenty one. So the B, g B Act just changed on May

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[Steve Barnes]: twenty fourth, And to get ready for that I be. I, normally I live in Arizona.

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[Steve Barnes]: I, I own property in Arizona, and I see it once in a while, but I've been a

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[Steve Barnes]: lot of time in a beautiful venture of California. weve dump thousands and

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[Steve Barnes]: thousands of drink of tests, and so all through. I mean, I was the only one in

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[Steve Barnes]: America for six

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[rudy]: So

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[Steve Barnes]: week. Well, the old one on the floor of the Mariot inventor for six weeks last

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[Steve Barnes]: summer and I've been out. It was crazy.

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[rudy]: now that had to be. That must have been a little little bit, you know,

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[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, it

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[rudy]: Jack Nicholsonish, to be the only one on the floor of a hotel.

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[Steve Barnes]: was and I was there for week. I was in a weekk. so I chocked in

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[andrea_nannini]: Oh, my goodness.

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[Steve Barnes]: and saw people other than that. I came in a side door with a carpe, No man. it

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[Steve Barnes]: was. well,

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[rudy]: You didn't see those little.

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[Steve Barnes]: uh, I went the other direction.

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[rudy]: you didn't see them little twin girls down the hallway. Did you

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[rudy]: too? So

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[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, so um, the only,

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[rudy]: mean? So this is the only federal pool law. Is that correct?

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[Steve Barnes]: uh, the only ancy standard, the only res of the only pool related standard in

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[rudy]: right?

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[Steve Barnes]: and basically looked at the answering standard, And now we don't like them.

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[Steve Barnes]: We' right in our own Um and so, and they were voluntary. Thats, but but

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[Steve Barnes]: products and all that, Yeah, H, g B act is the only one that references in the

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[rudy]: signed to law by the President, Right, if I'm not mistaken, George W Bush back, It

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[rudy]: went into effect on December nineteenth of Two thousand

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[Steve Barnes]: The two thousand and eight. It was passed into the law of the year prior. What

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[Steve Barnes]: was really weird about it and

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[rudy]: Okay,

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[Steve Barnes]: this time around will be different. Is the drain covered standard not been

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[Steve Barnes]: involved in that since two thousand and two. It goes back to nineteen eighty

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[Steve Barnes]: seven, Um, but it was voluntary prior to the V, g b. A. It was cut.

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[rudy]: it was the S. N. Sp. Dash sixteen, Seventeen, Is that what it was?

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[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, it startd out as a s, n A A when twelve, nineteen eight, Um, and then A

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[Steve Barnes]: S and me, when the whole B g B a thing kind of blew up. they said Well,

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[rudy]: Okay?

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[Steve Barnes]: W. we, we do plumbing fixtures. We don't want to deal with these pools and

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[Steve Barnes]: federal law and all that.

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[Steve Barnes]: So then the name changed to the a, p, s C, which that name has now changed

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[Steve Barnes]: with the merger of the National Swimming Pool Foundation, and and

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[Steve Barnes]: all that announced the p, h, g, A. So the name will change again, but the

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[Steve Barnes]: content didn't. But what happened back? can um, two thousand and seven is the

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[Steve Barnes]: Were the two big impacts on drain covers of the day, So that standard passed

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[Steve Barnes]: like in February, Congress said hey, yeah, this is great. What's making the

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[rudy]: I just couldn't remember

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[rudy]: if it went into if it was signed into law and two thousand seven went into effect on

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[rudy]: end. So

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[rudy]: Andrea had a some mainrain things going on today.

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[andrea_nannini]: Oh, I did.

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[andrea_nannini]: well, I have

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[rudy]: I'm trying to make a nice segway here. Give me more stuff to edit. Why don't you?

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[andrea_nannini]: you surprised me. Well, I am actually having some main drain issues in one

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[andrea_nannini]: of my commercial pools. Uh,

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[andrea_nannini]: basically they're leaking. Uh, we can't figure out at the moment from where.

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[andrea_nannini]: Uh, the pools are closed right at the moment, but uh, it's been pretty much

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[andrea_nannini]: a nightmare to deal with because he had the drains plugged and so I couldn't

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[andrea_nannini]: run the pump. And now it's ninety. It was ninety one degrees today on my way

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[andrea_nannini]: home, so I have a a rough situation at this pool to deal with.

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[rudy]: He doesn't feel bad for you. He said he has property in Arizona. He may or may not. It

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[rudy]: only be where he keeps this stuff, but you ain't got nothing

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[Steve Barnes]: it. it's hot. twenty.

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[andrea_nannini]: he. Listen, I've been.

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[rudy]: on ninety one.

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[andrea_nannini]: I've never been to. Well, sorry, I didn't me to interrupt you. I've never

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[andrea_nannini]: humidity, so I'm just going to leave it at that.

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[Steve Barnes]: You something you can try at home to oven up the two hundred every five

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[Steve Barnes]: minutes, and then le man, its a dry heat.

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[Steve Barnes]: That's a job.

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[andrea_nannini]: Oh, no.

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[Steve Barnes]: Don't really do it.

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[andrea_nannini]: I do that every time I bake.

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[rudy]: I think Andrea,

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[andrea_nannini]: No.

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[rudy]: Andrea. I think this is the first time ever a guest has actually suggested you

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[andrea_nannini]: Oh,

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[rudy]: stick your head in an oven.

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[andrea_nannini]: it's you know what. It's something that rudeas wanted to do every single

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[andrea_nannini]: episode, so she's just glad.

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[rudy]: totally hands and grettled out here. Um, seriously, so we, we have something weird

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[rudy]: going on Handsel and G grattle scenario. Somebody is going toss Andrean an oven. It's

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[rudy]: all cool with me, all right, so we do have some questions about. Um, this new

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[andrea_nannini]: who's affected by it?

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[Steve Barnes]: couple. Mainly When I start here, it's a rolling deadline, meaning that

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[Steve Barnes]: product made before May twenty fourth follows the old V g B. As we know it,

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[Steve Barnes]: How do you wintarize? How do you? what do you? If a a screw stripped out, What

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[Steve Barnes]: didn't matter Pike size somemp up. There were some minimums in particulars,

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[Steve Barnes]: go. Well, what the new testing has done is every pipe size has to be tested,

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[Steve Barnes]: up to six inches, so the flloor ratees higher for the six in fight, because

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[Steve Barnes]: and the grays. The most popular are about go. Um, you know, and so now if you

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[Steve Barnes]: where Orksars moved to N. s. f. Um. our lab were're doing our own hair and

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[rudy]: Okay? okay,

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[Steve Barnes]: the flow rates, and the reason every type size is being tested is the hair

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[Steve Barnes]: tangle, so that's a safety issue, so every pipe size will be given its own

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[Steve Barnes]: and on the first blush they might appear to be going down, but no one could

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[Steve Barnes]: physicalsly at the limits of water. Vabrizon, move a hundred and seventy

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[Steve Barnes]: gallons a minute to inch and half pile. I've got video of it vagorrizing at

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[Steve Barnes]: one fifty two. That's where the water entering the pipe is moving so fast, and

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[Steve Barnes]: sounds like a jet engine. and it actually is like a jet turning hard. You see

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[Steve Barnes]: the baker above the wings. That's what the water does in our testing and so

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[Steve Barnes]: you can't A pump can't operate there.

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[rudy]: Okay,

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[Steve Barnes]: It just yeah, it is Im all we.

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[rudy]: Blo. We want to fly out. We, we would

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[andrea_nannini]: it's funny that you say that.

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[Steve Barnes]: So you pick a plastic and it has to go into an oven literally like it's in a

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[andrea_nannini]: Well, that sounds fun.

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[andrea_nannini]: hair entpment test, though, because my hair is longer than sixteen

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[andrea_nannini]: Yeah,

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[Steve Barnes]: I've been in the Su safety for decades, and the one we would when we were

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[andrea_nannini]: that makes sense. Yeah,

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[rudy]: that must have been.

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[andrea_nannini]: I'm sorry, Rudy. Yeah, no, yeah, that one must have been awesome. But uh, so

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[andrea_nannini]: prevent suctionment.

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[andrea_nannini]: Good to know, good to know

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[andrea_nannini]: I was right be cause I get argued with.

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[rudy]: I try to do the same.

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[rudy]: That's fantastic,

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[Steve Barnes]: the good news. We have had v. g B complit pools that were not maintained

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[rudy]: so they're going to need to go with the top end speed, are they not when they size

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[Steve Barnes]: Here's the flow rate for this situation. But I amm very confident What we. the

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[andrea_nannini]: oh

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[andrea_nannini]: yeah. I, I've never done that when I was a little kid. No, I totally have.

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[andrea_nannini]: That's like something

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[andrea_nannini]: that is common right. I mean, that's I've definitely done it. so that's

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[Steve Barnes]: yeah, that's just one of the scary realities because I've always had

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[andrea_nannini]: two. No,

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[rudy]: wow,

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[Steve Barnes]: I mean, I was aware of it through their lab research, but that was the gut

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[Steve Barnes]: boy, Yeah, they do.

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[rudy]: and this is the most common

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[Steve Barnes]: were flat and plush out. That was what. Uh, Virginia Grand Baker, that was,

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[Steve Barnes]: And, And, and that just means that they're bigger than than your cha of man's

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[rudy]: and we anticipate that. I mean, so that's the future. Do anticipate. Obviously, that's

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[rudy]: going to be if it's adopted by Health department codes. That's going to be something

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[rudy]: that' grandfathered up to the point where some type of construction form and then

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[Steve Barnes]: Oh, it's an option and we have some that are retrofittable. For example, that

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[andrea_nannini]: Ssssssss.

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[rudy]: So in in educating the folks that are going to be installing these buildings and

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[rudy]: that's going to be a little bit of a challenge. I think, especially with the variable

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[rudy]: Well, I'm only operating it such. And such,

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[rudy]: Know what to you know. Sp in their installs. It's it's going to be a bunch

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[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, the new construction's pretty easy. Sure, and the easy design approach

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[Steve Barnes]: lots of options, but I, the key change is relative to this one. It is to

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[Steve Barnes]: Follow those rules. We. not, you know Vg B as a hundred percent affected when

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[Steve Barnes]: yet? well, they me, le. No,

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[andrea_nannini]: my question came out funny. Sorry,

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[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, So when they expire,

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[Steve Barnes]: no, no,

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00:21:51,086 --> 00:21:52,126
[rudy]: that's not on the list.

430
00:21:51,989 --> 00:21:55,269
[andrea_nannini]: it came out of my head and I was reading the other question while you were

431
00:21:55,349 --> 00:21:57,509
[andrea_nannini]: talking, And then it just jumbled up in my brain.

432
00:21:58,606 --> 00:22:00,446
[rudy]: Well being that that one are given,

433
00:22:00,469 --> 00:22:03,189
[andrea_nannini]: That's not what I meant to ask. I just meant to ask.

434
00:22:01,086 --> 00:22:04,126
[rudy]: let's go ahead and ask you next. I'm going to add

435
00:22:03,929 --> 00:22:04,929
[andrea_nannini]: Listen.

436
00:22:04,446 --> 00:22:06,686
[rudy]: that whole section out. Just ask the next question. Stop.

437
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:07,029
[andrea_nannini]: This is why he hates me.

438
00:22:09,326 --> 00:22:12,846
[rudy]: he doesn't hate you, He just doesn't like you. It's different. Go ahead.

439
00:22:11,749 --> 00:22:13,429
[andrea_nannini]: He wants me to be in an oven.

440
00:22:15,806 --> 00:22:16,926
[rudy]: that's him, not me.

441
00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:17,900
[Steve Barnes]: no, no, no, no, no,

442
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:20,949
[andrea_nannini]: He was excited about it all right, So when when

443
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,640
[Steve Barnes]: will you wait when you visit? just Shop of Phoenix, and we can stratch the

444
00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:25,500
[Steve Barnes]: whole oven thing

445
00:22:25,109 --> 00:22:31,509
[andrea_nannini]: right sounds good, so when the existing pool drain covers expire, can they

446
00:22:31,589 --> 00:22:33,829
[andrea_nannini]: be replaced with the same drain cover model?

447
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,280
[Steve Barnes]: they can. if

448
00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:38,940
[Steve Barnes]: the

449
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,160
[Steve Barnes]: that drink ofver model has been certified for that installation? So for

450
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,480
[Steve Barnes]: example, if the dray cover is rated for

451
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,320
[Steve Barnes]: three inch or larger, pilot, and the drink cover in the in the the pipe of the

452
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,240
[Steve Barnes]: pool, smaller than that answer would be No, Actually, that's a bad example.

453
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,960
[Steve Barnes]: The better would be is that drain coverers been rated for two inch pipe in

454
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,880
[Steve Barnes]: their six inch pipe in the pool. You gi a lot more water through it, so in

455
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,640
[Steve Barnes]: that case you're going to have to look at every installation light for like

456
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,480
[Steve Barnes]: replacements, and public pools are only allowed if the like for like

457
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,760
[Steve Barnes]: replacement is certified for Va application.

458
00:23:22,386 --> 00:23:23,386
[rudy]: Okay,

459
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:23,500
[Steve Barnes]: So

460
00:23:23,066 --> 00:23:24,066
[rudy]: That makes sense.

461
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,760
[Steve Barnes]: and so everything that's on the shelf in the in the pipeline is all legal to

462
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:35,440
[Steve Barnes]: install and continue to use in pools until it's expsed. So typically five

463
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,800
[Steve Barnes]: years, let's say, or ten years for public Co stuff

464
00:23:39,026 --> 00:23:40,026
[rudy]: Okay.

465
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,720
[Steve Barnes]: at the end of that when it's time, go change out those drain covers. That's

466
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:50,080
[Steve Barnes]: when the installer needs to look at. Is this cover appropriate for this

467
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:55,520
[Steve Barnes]: insulation? Um, And was it originally in solved correctly? One of the things

468
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:01,920
[Steve Barnes]: that many manufacturs require deep, Really deep 's one and a half pipe. Niners

469
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,880
[Steve Barnes]: and concrete pools are typically much shaller than that, so if somebody has

470
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:12,080
[Steve Barnes]: put up a cover that needs a deep su on a shallow sum, don't replace it with

471
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,960
[Steve Barnes]: that cover. You know. don't repeat somebody else's misske is the key there.

472
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,480
[Steve Barnes]: Um, and that's where light for white can be an an issue.

473
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,960
[Steve Barnes]: There's lots of options. You just going, have to do a little more homework.

474
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,360
[Steve Barnes]: One of the things that we're really focused on in the initial offerings in our

475
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,880
[Steve Barnes]: retrofit line is casting everything as shallow is possible on every pipe size.

476
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,400
[Steve Barnes]: So ▁zero sumps for inch and a half two inch three inch. So then if it's been

477
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,600
[Steve Barnes]: certified for ▁zero sump depth on all pipe sizes, you don't need to know what

478
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,040
[Steve Barnes]: the buol is before you get in it, you know you're going to have a cupboard

479
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:53,360
[Steve Barnes]: that's going to comply, So eight, ten or twelve, sixteen, nine and fourteens

480
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,000
[Steve Barnes]: are Unbco Star's universal stuff. That's where we've been doing these hundreds

481
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:03,360
[Steve Barnes]: and hundreds of tass to to make it. so one cover will fit almost everything if

482
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:03,900
[Steve Barnes]: you

483
00:25:03,106 --> 00:25:04,106
[rudy]: And

484
00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:04,340
[Steve Barnes]: know the size.

485
00:25:05,086 --> 00:25:10,366
[rudy]: what? what Perc I is with your retro products with your universal product? I ask you

486
00:25:10,446 --> 00:25:14,926
[rudy]: that, what percentage of the market do you think that you cover there? At least where

487
00:25:15,086 --> 00:25:16,446
[rudy]: we? at? What are we shooting for?

488
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:25,440
[Steve Barnes]: So the a ten Rs of Arts, a ten inch round cover, and it is designed to address

489
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,080
[Steve Barnes]: everything, ten inches and smaller

490
00:25:28,466 --> 00:25:29,466
[rudy]: Okay,

491
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,200
[Steve Barnes]: in every pipe's Eize and every configuration that's been the

492
00:25:32,809 --> 00:25:33,809
[andrea_nannini]: The

493
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:38,080
[Steve Barnes]: bulk that all of that is n s f listed and available. You can independently go

494
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,280
[Steve Barnes]: look at in as often and see that there's lots of pipe sizes and lots of of

495
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,480
[Steve Barnes]: flow rates to go with that. And so and then we, for the So that covers all the

496
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,560
[Steve Barnes]: round Southel residential, primarily,

497
00:25:50,466 --> 00:25:51,466
[rudy]: right

498
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:56,160
[Steve Barnes]: and then are other focuses of nine by min, followed by clauds. Um. those are

499
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,720
[Steve Barnes]: huge. There's a lot of those out there in shallow pipe configuration. You get

500
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,280
[Steve Barnes]: to the bigger stuff of water paks, and all that those.

501
00:26:03,026 --> 00:26:04,026
[rudy]: right,

502
00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:04,580
[Steve Barnes]: not much of a problem

503
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,600
[Steve Barnes]: further down list.

504
00:26:07,726 --> 00:26:11,166
[rudy]: Residential brings up a good point. I don't know if I'm

505
00:26:12,446 --> 00:26:15,646
[rudy]: obviously no one monitors that,

506
00:26:17,566 --> 00:26:21,886
[rudy]: but um, I don't know if you've been following or not this whole swimly trend. Have you

507
00:26:21,966 --> 00:26:23,566
[rudy]: been watching that at all?

508
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,240
[Steve Barnes]: I, So enough to say, Well, that's a catchy name, but I,

509
00:26:28,626 --> 00:26:29,626
[rudy]: It is a

510
00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:30,220
[Steve Barnes]: what is that

511
00:26:29,406 --> 00:26:34,766
[rudy]: catchy name, but it's It's an Arab n B for swimming pools. What they do is like, say,

512
00:26:34,926 --> 00:26:38,686
[rudy]: for example, you have a pool in your backyard and you decide that you're not going to

513
00:26:38,686 --> 00:26:43,246
[rudy]: be using it. You want to make a little bit of extra money. You can rent it out to a a

514
00:26:43,326 --> 00:26:47,166
[rudy]: different family to come, and they hang out and swim in your backyard and you charge

515
00:26:47,406 --> 00:26:48,446
[rudy]: them an hourly fee.

516
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,520
[Steve Barnes]: interesting? No, I had not heard of that. that's fascinating.

517
00:26:51,806 --> 00:26:55,486
[rudy]: So it's kind of blown up a little bit, But one of the things I wanted to bring up,

518
00:26:55,566 --> 00:26:59,966
[rudy]: because it's going to start to. I mean, I think it's going to be. We're going to see

519
00:27:00,046 --> 00:27:04,206
[rudy]: it start to fall apart. That's my guess. At this point, Denver, the entire state of

520
00:27:04,286 --> 00:27:08,126
[rudy]: Minnesota. they've already put their foot down. Minnesota Health Department came out

521
00:27:08,286 --> 00:27:13,086
[rudy]: point blank and said You know what? these are commercial pools. If you're renting it

522
00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:13,740
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah,

523
00:27:13,166 --> 00:27:18,046
[rudy]: in your backyard, it's a commercial pool. It needs to meet all public pool

524
00:27:18,686 --> 00:27:24,046
[rudy]: requirements including inspections, V g B. All of it hour. it's a ten thousand dollar

525
00:27:24,286 --> 00:27:30,126
[rudy]: fine. I don't believe Denver's finding anybody at this point, but I can't help but

526
00:27:30,526 --> 00:27:35,006
[rudy]: think that that's going to be one of those things that rolls from state to state and

527
00:27:35,086 --> 00:27:38,446
[rudy]: then for the folks that do hang in there and do wantnna continue to rent out their

528
00:27:38,526 --> 00:27:41,966
[rudy]: backyard pools, they're going to have to comply, and there's going to be some major

529
00:27:42,206 --> 00:27:45,326
[rudy]: renovations involved. if they're willing to invest the money.

530
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,800
[Steve Barnes]: I can tell you that the drink

531
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,600
[Steve Barnes]: hugely important, but that's an easy thought. We got solutions for that and

532
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,040
[Steve Barnes]: get into chemical automation. you know, monitoring the control requirement,

533
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,360
[Steve Barnes]: hand rails markings that' not doing this.

534
00:28:03,466 --> 00:28:04,466
[rudy]: Oh't know. And and

535
00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:04,940
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah,

536
00:28:04,289 --> 00:28:05,289
[andrea_nannini]: will'll chear up.

537
00:28:04,606 --> 00:28:06,846
[rudy]: even with the turnover requirements, it's going to be ridiculous.

538
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,280
[Steve Barnes]: if they apply that standard,

539
00:28:08,146 --> 00:28:09,146
[rudy]: Eighty.

540
00:28:08,489 --> 00:28:09,489
[andrea_nannini]: That's what

541
00:28:09,189 --> 00:28:10,869
[andrea_nannini]: I was trying to sayy.

542
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,240
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, that's interesting.

543
00:28:10,066 --> 00:28:11,066
[rudy]: Yeah, that's true.

544
00:28:12,206 --> 00:28:16,286
[rudy]: they'll be. They'll be considered transient facilities, so eight d a Um.

545
00:28:17,406 --> 00:28:23,246
[rudy]: requirements are are going to apply for sure. Um, So scary stuff with that. So

546
00:28:23,689 --> 00:28:24,689
[andrea_nannini]: Yes,

547
00:28:23,746 --> 00:28:24,746
[rudy]: and

548
00:28:26,226 --> 00:28:27,226
[rudy]: how you doing?

549
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:29,989
[andrea_nannini]: I'm doing well I'm I'm just here. You know this is me.

550
00:28:30,849 --> 00:28:31,849
[andrea_nannini]: I, I listen,

551
00:28:32,286 --> 00:28:34,606
[rudy]: You laugh and I don't have the list of questions.

552
00:28:33,589 --> 00:28:35,189
[andrea_nannini]: I listen, I, I'm sorry,

553
00:28:36,046 --> 00:28:38,926
[rudy]: Oh, I do. but we talked about it, so ask a question.

554
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:41,509
[andrea_nannini]: I. I really had to take a quick second so actually I want to go back to

555
00:28:41,589 --> 00:28:45,109
[andrea_nannini]: something that. Um, you mentioned earlier. My question is why

556
00:28:45,726 --> 00:28:50,286
[rudy]: She does that in our normal podcast too. She just talking. She just gets up and goes

557
00:28:50,446 --> 00:28:52,606
[rudy]: into the restroom. I don't know. but anyway

558
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:55,189
[andrea_nannini]: listen? I muted my mike so that you don't even know where I went.

559
00:28:55,346 --> 00:28:56,346
[rudy]: this time

560
00:28:56,946 --> 00:28:57,946
[rudy]: this time

561
00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:57,969
[andrea_nannini]: So my question.

562
00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:57,969
[andrea_nannini]: So my question.

563
00:28:58,546 --> 00:28:59,546
[rudy]: all right.

564
00:28:59,349 --> 00:29:02,629
[andrea_nannini]: I want you better delete this too, Mister Deley.

565
00:29:03,566 --> 00:29:06,526
[rudy]: No, no, no, no, this is all going right in the podcas.

566
00:29:05,429 --> 00:29:10,389
[andrea_nannini]: Oh good. well, anyway, I'm legit question that I had because I came up with

567
00:29:10,469 --> 00:29:14,149
[andrea_nannini]: this while I was listening to you and not just reading the thing. What does

568
00:29:14,169 --> 00:29:15,169
[andrea_nannini]: make the?

569
00:29:16,309 --> 00:29:20,229
[andrea_nannini]: What does make the difference in the floor and the wall drains different,

570
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:21,909
[andrea_nannini]: the flow rate. I mean,

571
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,240
[Steve Barnes]: so it comes down to hair hair. Almost all these big changes were related to

572
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,880
[Steve Barnes]: hair going into the cover. it follows the water and then it goes into the

573
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,200
[Steve Barnes]: pipe. So if you picture a drain on the on the floor in that scary scenario,

574
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,480
[Steve Barnes]: girls potentially doing handsands ors along air, so the hair goes right down

575
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,400
[Steve Barnes]: through the cover into the pipe, and when they decide they need air, they go

576
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,040
[Steve Barnes]: right straight up. So the test simulates that the hair pulls straight up. Take

577
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,680
[Steve Barnes]: that same drain and put it on the sidew.

578
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,120
[Steve Barnes]: A, Now the hair goes in and it makes the turn into the pipe and through the

579
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,240
[Steve Barnes]: cover, so when you pull straight up it takes more force that you're pulling

580
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,760
[Steve Barnes]: around a corner or

581
00:30:10,066 --> 00:30:11,066
[rudy]: That makes sense.

582
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,320
[Steve Barnes]: multiple corners. So that's why floors and walls

583
00:30:14,489 --> 00:30:15,489
[andrea_nannini]: got

584
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,960
[Steve Barnes]: have always had different flow rates. Sometimes, they're the saying that the

585
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,480
[Steve Barnes]: hair just lays on a cover of pulls off. either way, where you have big

586
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,160
[Steve Barnes]: differences in flow rates. Floor and walls of hair iss going into the pipe.

587
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:32,160
[Steve Barnes]: and now even so we expand that you could have pipe going out the bottom on the

588
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,000
[Steve Barnes]: floor, draining. or it can be a sump bucket right because of the hydrisad or

589
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,520
[Steve Barnes]: whatever on the bottom. So now the hair goes in, while the cupboards straight

590
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,640
[Steve Barnes]: up and down. the hair goes in and turns into the pipe on the side. So it's all

591
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,040
[Steve Barnes]: of those things are mechanically. The way the standard works is the hair. It

592
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,960
[Steve Barnes]: weighs for thirty seconds and holds for thirty seconds. It cloats for thirty

593
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,680
[Steve Barnes]: seconds, and then you pull at five inches a second. So it's it's not like you

594
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:04,240
[Steve Barnes]: swim into the surface of the pool and that force can't exceed five pounds. So

595
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,680
[Steve Barnes]: you you pull you guy. Come free. and it can't exceed five pounds. That's a pas

596
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,360
[Steve Barnes]: fail. And the has each rain cover has to pass that test twenty

597
00:31:13,266 --> 00:31:14,266
[rudy]: Okay.

598
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,320
[Steve Barnes]: times So there's lots of wants of hair. Tsk, so it's very conservative that

599
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:24,080
[Steve Barnes]: the the, the, The to put into context if you take three or four airs

600
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,080
[Steve Barnes]: and twist them together and pull up time, pull apart. That's over ten pounds.

601
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:36,480
[Steve Barnes]: So failing the drain cover tests at a flow rating, it only takes two or three

602
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,560
[Steve Barnes]: or four hairs to twist. And and then the test has head. It's a

603
00:31:36,849 --> 00:31:37,849
[andrea_nannini]: that's fascinating.

604
00:31:38,186 --> 00:31:39,186
[rudy]: How does your average

605
00:31:38,709 --> 00:31:40,469
[andrea_nannini]: Sorry. it's really fascinating. like I

606
00:31:40,146 --> 00:31:41,146
[rudy]: it?

607
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:44,069
[andrea_nannini]: said. Excuse meoting, because I happen to have very long hair. and

608
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:46,869
[andrea_nannini]: and I know how uh,

609
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:52,949
[andrea_nannini]: insanely tangled it gets just in the wind, so I can't imagine like a force

610
00:31:53,829 --> 00:31:55,749
[andrea_nannini]: the numbers that I, I would like to um,

611
00:31:56,869 --> 00:32:00,709
[andrea_nannini]: read that again, just because that was. It's pretty fascinating just to

612
00:32:00,789 --> 00:32:02,709
[andrea_nannini]: think that there is actual test done on that.

613
00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:06,606
[rudy]: Are you guys one? Do you tell?

614
00:32:07,726 --> 00:32:11,806
[rudy]: And this doesn't have to go in. But do you test one hundred percent of your drain

615
00:32:11,626 --> 00:32:12,626
[rudy]: grates

616
00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:15,780
[Steve Barnes]: Yeahed. The law

617
00:32:15,426 --> 00:32:16,426
[rudy]: so every

618
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,800
[Steve Barnes]: requires all of the well, not after not not everyone. ▁ough to the assembly

619
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:21,500
[Steve Barnes]: One.

620
00:32:21,066 --> 00:32:22,066
[rudy]: but every one of

621
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,080
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, unlike pomps filters, that kind of thing. Those are a hundred percent

622
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,720
[Steve Barnes]: tests. Typically speaking for our industry drain huers, As you have one, you

623
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,360
[Steve Barnes]: know, Picture your typical eight inch round drain cover. You test it every way

624
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,360
[Steve Barnes]: it can be. Ins. soalved This on the wall on the floor with a side pipe with

625
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,760
[Steve Barnes]: the bottom pag or two pipes. whatever. All of those end up with a unique

626
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,360
[Steve Barnes]: flloating Because the hair behaves differently as the wa. It follows the law,

627
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,760
[Steve Barnes]: but once it's done, it gets a

628
00:32:49,586 --> 00:32:50,586
[rudy]: Okay?

629
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,040
[Steve Barnes]: certification and it's kind of like electrical systems. It's like you act a

630
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,320
[Steve Barnes]: certifying outlet or a Gop, C. E. Once it's certified upon the motoror filter

631
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,640
[Steve Barnes]: you, you don't have to test them all the time,

632
00:33:01,806 --> 00:33:03,806
[rudy]: So how does your how

633
00:33:05,006 --> 00:33:08,686
[rudy]: we have the manufacturing? and we got that. You talked about that a little bit. How

634
00:33:08,766 --> 00:33:10,926
[rudy]: does your pool service person out in the field

635
00:33:12,126 --> 00:33:14,126
[rudy]: know when the grades expired

636
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,640
[Steve Barnes]: So that's one of the helpful changes in the standard Is you're going to get

637
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,320
[Steve Barnes]: new instructions that say what the drain cover is, and there's a place to fill

638
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,280
[Steve Barnes]: in when it was insald And where? So. If you're looking at a department complex

639
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,920
[Steve Barnes]: or youll, lots of pools and bodies of water with lots of drains. each drain

640
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,000
[Steve Barnes]: can have its own paperwork,

641
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,400
[Steve Barnes]: Say it was installed on. Uh, you know August, August, twenty, twenty one, it's

642
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,800
[Steve Barnes]: the month, not the day, and then it expirs in five years. The only way to

643
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,120
[Steve Barnes]: track thatcause life, and ex, uh life,

644
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:58,080
[Steve Barnes]: um, service life is from date of insul with or without water. And then

645
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,960
[Steve Barnes]: typically it's five years, so the only way to know is for that to be trapped

646
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,120
[Steve Barnes]: when it was installed now back in the day with the v g, B. How where do we

647
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,600
[Steve Barnes]: know if the public pool was updated or not? It's been five years. When was it

648
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,440
[Steve Barnes]: installed? they go back and accept the C. P. S. C, and helpparkments would,

649
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,520
[Steve Barnes]: except invoices, saying, here's when I bound. I don't know what day a week

650
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,160
[Steve Barnes]: have got installed, but here's why Bo, which has solved that problem, Make

651
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,080
[Steve Barnes]: life easier for everyone. We want to provide that information and the ideas.

652
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:32,480
[Steve Barnes]: Youd keep it in the pool paperwork, Maybe a sicker inside the you know time

653
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,560
[Steve Barnes]: clock or whatever, But the go. The the goal is to track. When was it in

654
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:41,520
[Steve Barnes]: Soalved? What was it? What was its flow rating? So that anyone coming back to

655
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,760
[Steve Barnes]: service the pool to inspect the pool Will No. okay. This was done in August of

656
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,360
[Steve Barnes]: twenty twenty one. It's good to go. I don't need to worry about it for five

657
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,320
[Steve Barnes]: years. Uh, where that becomes real important is when that one and a half horse

658
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,120
[Steve Barnes]: power single speed pump dies and you go to replace and find out they don't

659
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,640
[Steve Barnes]: exist anymore, and they sell you a whi, ba, variable

660
00:35:02,626 --> 00:35:03,626
[rudy]: right?

661
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,800
[Steve Barnes]: speed that can move twice as much water.

662
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,320
[Steve Barnes]: It's that's the scenario that is kind of makes me nervous is. please.

663
00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:11,486
[rudy]: A lot of people don't know that going into it either that it doesmp a

664
00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:12,140
[Steve Barnes]: yeah,

665
00:35:11,566 --> 00:35:16,606
[rudy]: heck of a lot more water than what they had there in the first place. So let's say Um,

666
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:17,500
[Steve Barnes]: yeah,

667
00:35:18,126 --> 00:35:22,286
[rudy]: hardware. let's say Andrea is out there in the field and she comes across. I mean she

668
00:35:22,366 --> 00:35:26,846
[rudy]: knows, but I'm going to an example. you know before we set her on fire, but she's out

669
00:35:26,926 --> 00:35:30,846
[rudy]: there in the field and she comes across the pool. She sees a screw missing, so she

670
00:35:30,926 --> 00:35:33,646
[rudy]: just runs over to the nearest hardware store and gets a screw

671
00:35:34,626 --> 00:35:35,626
[rudy]: in the main.

672
00:35:37,429 --> 00:35:40,709
[andrea_nannini]: Oh my God, he's just throwing me under every single bus.

673
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,400
[Steve Barnes]: not a good idea. No, no, no, no, we don't want that. Uh the state.

674
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,880
[Steve Barnes]: Ah, yeah, I know that's a bad scenario that has resulted in in uh, entrapments

675
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,680
[Steve Barnes]: that tribbered the V G B law. not in Graham's case off forg Grand Baker, but

676
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:02,640
[Steve Barnes]: Abigail Taylor, Uh, was a public pool eight inch waiting on Uh, eight H. Ding

677
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,640
[Steve Barnes]: that they the frame. The mud frame was stripped out, so the installer got dry

678
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,360
[Steve Barnes]: wall Sws, from Home Depot and they rust it out a matter of days. and then a

679
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:14,060
[Steve Barnes]: six

680
00:36:13,669 --> 00:36:15,189
[andrea_nannini]: That was a terrible story. I read

681
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,400
[Steve Barnes]: year old girl sits on where the drink cover should have been. Um. and that,

682
00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:19,180
[Steve Barnes]: actually,

683
00:36:19,780 --> 00:36:20,780
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah,

684
00:36:20,809 --> 00:36:21,809
[andrea_nannini]: that. Oh that'.

685
00:36:21,226 --> 00:36:22,226
[rudy]: Is that

686
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,800
[Steve Barnes]: a Abby's hope. if you wantnna see a heart breakreaking storage.

687
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:27,589
[andrea_nannini]: yes, Rudy. hold on. y's this.

688
00:36:30,786 --> 00:36:31,786
[rudy]: there you go.

689
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:32,229
[andrea_nannini]: That's Abbey's hope.

690
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:34,620
[Steve Barnes]: Yes,

691
00:36:34,046 --> 00:36:35,726
[rudy]: She is a water watchd dog. That.

692
00:36:34,046 --> 00:36:35,726
[rudy]: She is a water watchd dog. That.

693
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:36,300
[Steve Barnes]: havey soap.

694
00:36:36,689 --> 00:36:37,689
[andrea_nannini]: I, for

695
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,400
[Steve Barnes]: that's that's so. Yeah, that's that's that sort. So now may you catch?

696
00:36:37,509 --> 00:36:41,669
[andrea_nannini]: those of you who couldn't see, I got the the Water watchdog tag out yet, but

697
00:36:42,549 --> 00:36:44,949
[andrea_nannini]: we talked about that. in another episode. It didn't me

698
00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:45,860
[Steve Barnes]: Oh yeah,

699
00:36:45,049 --> 00:36:46,049
[andrea_nannini]: to interrupt you again,

700
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:47,820
[Steve Barnes]: yeah, yep,

701
00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:50,220
[Steve Barnes]: cool

702
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,640
[Steve Barnes]: lowers. So so the the drink, our standards requires us manufacturers to supply

703
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,720
[Steve Barnes]: seamless steel. If it's connected with screws, Um, Sa will steal the three

704
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,840
[Steve Barnes]: sixteen. The Um, and you need to use the fasteners that come from the

705
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,680
[Steve Barnes]: manufactureer. Just that's the full stop. The reality is you can get

706
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,320
[Steve Barnes]: equivalents from hardware stores. Don't do it. get them from the manufactureer

707
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,280
[Steve Barnes]: Because if something bad happens, We as a manufacturer say that's not our

708
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,080
[Steve Barnes]: screw, and then we leave the deposition and you're left up.

709
00:37:21,966 --> 00:37:26,446
[rudy]: so I have to admit that was it was meant to be a leading question, but um, the point

710
00:37:26,686 --> 00:37:28,766
[rudy]: is is that those screoos that's part of the code.

711
00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:29,420
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah,

712
00:37:28,926 --> 00:37:32,366
[rudy]: You have to use the screws that come with the great, and if you're missing one, the

713
00:37:32,226 --> 00:37:33,226
[rudy]: replacement

714
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:33,500
[Steve Barnes]: y.

715
00:37:33,166 --> 00:37:36,366
[rudy]: screw has to come from the manufacturer period. The end correct,

716
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:45,680
[Steve Barnes]: yeah, and we have covers that only it has to go on a new product, so the the

717
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,160
[Steve Barnes]: screw has to go in the mud frame. They have everything that came with it, so

718
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,280
[Steve Barnes]: that's the only way that products should be used. We have many others, The

719
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,320
[Steve Barnes]: universal at T or c. f. R. I've mentioned previously, that has, like I don't

720
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,840
[Steve Barnes]: know, eight, ninety different trains of screws, including concrete anchors, so

721
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,240
[Steve Barnes]: you can drill into the concrete. You could drill through that stripped out

722
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,000
[Steve Barnes]: plastic mug framing, attach a fastener, and then attached to that. And so

723
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,600
[Steve Barnes]: there are other options. But whatever they are, they have to be in the

724
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,680
[Steve Barnes]: instructions and they have to be certified, so it's got to be more than just.

725
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,680
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, Steves. it's okay, do whatever you want. It's actually got to be third

726
00:38:27,509 --> 00:38:30,869
[andrea_nannini]: A random question and this doesn't have to go in be cause. it just relates

727
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,360
[Steve Barnes]: party certified. So

728
00:38:30,949 --> 00:38:33,669
[andrea_nannini]: to something that I was dealing with. I have

729
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:41,829
[andrea_nannini]: aant. Yes, sorry, so my question is just about changing a motor. So if you

730
00:38:34,366 --> 00:38:36,526
[rudy]: but do make sure we hit the ones on the list.

731
00:38:41,989 --> 00:38:46,229
[andrea_nannini]: changed out a motor and it was a different horse power than the one that was

732
00:38:46,549 --> 00:38:49,269
[andrea_nannini]: installed, would you have to change the drain cover

733
00:38:51,086 --> 00:38:54,926
[rudy]: You have to change the pomp where you'd have to downsize drop size, the imppeller.

734
00:38:55,186 --> 00:38:56,186
[rudy]: You're not going

735
00:38:57,166 --> 00:38:58,446
[rudy]: to be to fit that well known.

736
00:39:00,286 --> 00:39:01,886
[rudy]: Yeah, you have to change the palm.

737
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,640
[Steve Barnes]: yeah, so so if you went, let's say hypothetically, you have a one horse power

738
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,760
[Steve Barnes]: single speed pump and associated motor.

739
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,200
[Steve Barnes]: You can put a larger horse power motor on it. It's just not going to work very

740
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,600
[Steve Barnes]: hard to turn that small impeller so you can go to a bigger motor. From a

741
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,840
[Steve Barnes]: physics point of view, right, They turn at thirty four fifty or something like

742
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,440
[Steve Barnes]: that. And so its not

743
00:39:25,249 --> 00:39:26,249
[andrea_nannini]: Gota

744
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,560
[Steve Barnes]: more horse, but that's you know. Like driving a car at thirty five. It's

745
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,240
[Steve Barnes]: designed to do seventy or a hundred and eighty depending on what part of the

746
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,560
[Steve Barnes]: state You're um, yeah, so

747
00:39:37,246 --> 00:39:40,206
[rudy]: There are a couple of record sets somewhere, but

748
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,000
[Steve Barnes]: rural Arizona. I think they got a lot faster for something,

749
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,160
[Steve Barnes]: but so, but generally speaking, if you're just changing a motor, you need

750
00:39:50,049 --> 00:39:51,049
[andrea_nannini]: I got

751
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,920
[Steve Barnes]: to match the motor. What I just said. The physics may apply, but it's probably

752
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,840
[Steve Barnes]: not a good practice. So you go. You're not going make money rather. anyway.

753
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,840
[Steve Barnes]: uh, but it's when it's the other.

754
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,160
[Steve Barnes]: So when you reping the motor, you got a maximumller, is.

755
00:40:04,569 --> 00:40:05,569
[andrea_nannini]: okay.

756
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,760
[Steve Barnes]: Mention's when you

757
00:40:05,346 --> 00:40:06,346
[rudy]: Mhm.

758
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,080
[Steve Barnes]: c the whole good, the everything,

759
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:16,080
[Steve Barnes]: and another, another example is switching from sand to cartridge, the head

760
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,280
[Steve Barnes]: loster cartri. You can move a boatload more water through a cartridge filter

761
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:27,680
[Steve Barnes]: than you can its equivalent sand filter. And so the two scenarios are new pump

762
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,720
[Steve Barnes]: variable speed, and if you're going from sand to cartridge, those are two

763
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,960
[Steve Barnes]: areas of. really, Pay attention to your fllo to what your drink covers.

764
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,640
[Steve Barnes]: Regardless of what you' doing in the backyard, Make sure there' d cos, there,

765
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:47,200
[Steve Barnes]: don't lo expired and all that time. But first in foremost, never ever allow

766
00:40:47,326 --> 00:40:48,446
[rudy]: Oh, no. absolutely.

767
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,160
[Steve Barnes]: a pool with an open hole of any kind. That's where you don't only need to pump

768
00:40:49,726 --> 00:40:53,806
[rudy]: I'll tell you I was out. Um, I was out of a co. This is back when I had my service

769
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,440
[Steve Barnes]: on any. Get it know?

770
00:40:54,126 --> 00:40:57,806
[rudy]: company, I was out at a new customer's house. I was there to give a bid an estimate

771
00:40:58,126 --> 00:41:03,966
[rudy]: and they have the dedicated suction line for their cleaner and no cap, no cover, no

772
00:41:04,126 --> 00:41:07,166
[rudy]: anything. And while I'm there, I'm talking to them and I said Well, you know that's

773
00:41:07,246 --> 00:41:10,286
[rudy]: going to be the first thing we have to do when they' like well, How much is that And

774
00:41:10,446 --> 00:41:13,966
[rudy]: it's not an expensive piece, And like now, Well, we're going to hold off on that.

775
00:41:14,046 --> 00:41:18,046
[rudy]: Well, the kids were playing in the pool at that time and not shortly after that, like

776
00:41:18,106 --> 00:41:19,106
[rudy]: within minutes

777
00:41:20,146 --> 00:41:21,146
[rudy]: the kid got

778
00:41:20,769 --> 00:41:21,769
[andrea_nannini]: My goodness,

779
00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:21,946
[rudy]: stuck to the wall.

780
00:41:22,846 --> 00:41:26,046
[rudy]: They flipped out. They didn't know what to do. I walked over and just clicked the

781
00:41:26,046 --> 00:41:29,886
[rudy]: timer and then the kid was released. But I'll tell you what that hicky that kid had

782
00:41:30,046 --> 00:41:34,526
[rudy]: closed that cell like that. I mean, seriously, it scared the heck out of them, but

783
00:41:34,686 --> 00:41:41,086
[rudy]: people don't get how dangerous these things can be. That needs that same um. backlock

784
00:41:41,806 --> 00:41:43,966
[rudy]: that the commercial setus require.

785
00:41:42,229 --> 00:41:47,429
[andrea_nannini]: I had that happen to me emptying leaf canisters. I've had them stick to my

786
00:41:47,509 --> 00:41:51,349
[andrea_nannini]: hands and I have ended up with big red circles. So I it

787
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,040
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, see those things. Fortunately the surface or you can

788
00:42:00,729 --> 00:42:01,729
[andrea_nannini]: right.

789
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,360
[Steve Barnes]: get to the surface. It's what you get in spas and pools that we end up at

790
00:42:05,406 --> 00:42:08,366
[rudy]: Well, some of the older ones. It's too much further down

791
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,440
[Steve Barnes]: the fatalities. because it can't. y. you can't get you can't. There's nothing

792
00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:09,609
[andrea_nannini]: Well, even just the

793
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:10,140
[Steve Barnes]: to do.

794
00:42:09,706 --> 00:42:10,706
[rudy]: and I know that's

795
00:42:09,749 --> 00:42:13,269
[andrea_nannini]: amount of time trying to get to a cut off switcher, the time clock, you

796
00:42:12,809 --> 00:42:13,809
[andrea_nannini]: know,

797
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,480
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, yeah,

798
00:42:14,149 --> 00:42:19,189
[andrea_nannini]: some, some of the pools that I do. The the pump switches are several steps

799
00:42:19,509 --> 00:42:23,669
[andrea_nannini]: away from the pool area or even the pump area, So

800
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,640
[Steve Barnes]: well, that's where what we need do is a manufacturer, and then I'm heavily

801
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,320
[Steve Barnes]: involved on chairman of the drink cover standard, and such an energy

802
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,400
[Steve Barnes]: efficiency. All kinds of stuff that the P. h, a a puol off of the lines, and

803
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,560
[Steve Barnes]: one of the things that is front and centers. What can we do to

804
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,240
[Steve Barnes]: for everything from electrical desction and just everything in the pool that

805
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,280
[Steve Barnes]: our customers don't need to know anything to be safe. I mean there's the don't

806
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,400
[Steve Barnes]: get your hair near it, and all these things that are certainly

807
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,520
[Steve Barnes]: responsible. But what we're doing and testing all these drink covers is to

808
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,200
[Steve Barnes]: give. Make sure that the covers that are installed. People don't need to know

809
00:43:06,766 --> 00:43:12,046
[rudy]: and that's what it should. Realistically. That's an amazing goal. Because that

810
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,840
[Steve Barnes]: anything about to know to be safe so that their size y. that's our goal.

811
00:43:12,286 --> 00:43:17,646
[rudy]: eliminates the need to educate. That eliminates the need to argue with somebody about

812
00:43:17,806 --> 00:43:21,646
[rudy]: it. right, the non believers, and whatever it is that you're saying

813
00:43:22,466 --> 00:43:23,466
[rudy]: so

814
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:23,980
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah,

815
00:43:23,806 --> 00:43:27,086
[rudy]: that that's a fantastic goal and I hope we make that for sure.

816
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,840
[Steve Barnes]: the drink covers is the one category if you select the right one and it solid

817
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,160
[Steve Barnes]: for the instructions. I think we, you know ninety nine percent of the way

818
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,360
[Steve Barnes]: there. There's always freak things that we can't predict and all of that, but

819
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,800
[Steve Barnes]: I have a high degree of confidence and that where there's some areas

820
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,080
[Steve Barnes]: electrical safety, water itself drama.

821
00:43:51,986 --> 00:43:52,986
[rudy]: right.

822
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,040
[Steve Barnes]: But but why we're in the backyard to enjoy the pool is the biggest hazard and

823
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,320
[Steve Barnes]: will always be. And it E. and that goes back as as long as we, you know when

824
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,360
[Steve Barnes]: we've been swimming as a society, or at bathtubs and buckets. And so you know,

825
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,080
[Steve Barnes]: watching the little ones and even our parents, and you know, as they get

826
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,600
[Steve Barnes]: older, The you know they, they often get overlooked. As

827
00:44:15,506 --> 00:44:16,506
[rudy]: yes,

828
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,800
[Steve Barnes]: you know, you shouldn't swim alone. Um is is not. you know, the elderly

829
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,720
[Steve Barnes]: population. We had the rescue mom out of the pools because you can't see well

830
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,280
[Steve Barnes]: and stepped off into the pool. And you know were bis, mom. Oh, my, you know,

831
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,000
[Steve Barnes]: So that was a personal experience. So there's houses in the backyard, but with

832
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:39,840
[Steve Barnes]: the electrical, uh, self closing gates, make sure they maintain Um. The such

833
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,440
[Steve Barnes]: and safety, If we just do those things as an industry,

834
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,840
[Steve Barnes]: then you know we're solving the majority of these problems.

835
00:44:47,429 --> 00:44:52,149
[andrea_nannini]: sorry I was not on that screen, So why did the Um V Gb Act change?

836
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:07,200
[Steve Barnes]: The the B G. The Act itself references the only industries pool any standard,

837
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,000
[Steve Barnes]: the drink cover standard, and as an anti standard, Um. all of them have to be

838
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:18,160
[Steve Barnes]: reviewed and revised every five years. If that process is not completed within

839
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,280
[Steve Barnes]: ten, they just go away. So that's true of every Anti standard for pump motor

840
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:30,080
[Steve Barnes]: filters, including drink Cos, and so A, and this one was approved in Uh, two

841
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:31,140
[Steve Barnes]: thousand and

842
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,200
[Steve Barnes]: seven. And the new revision came out in twenty seventeen. So it right to that

843
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,680
[Steve Barnes]: ten year deadline. Now we did change names to a p, s. K in in two thousand

844
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,200
[Steve Barnes]: level. But so the standard itself had to change per Ancy standards. And then

845
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,640
[Steve Barnes]: we did a lot of clean up on the test lab instructions. How do you know when

846
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:56,320
[Steve Barnes]: the drain covers expired? So we looked at. Okay, what are the challenge to

847
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,440
[Steve Barnes]: making people successful instal on these products and just wasn't a lot of

848
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,800
[Steve Barnes]: information with junk covers. And so now instead of one piece of paper, you

849
00:46:04,709 --> 00:46:07,509
[andrea_nannini]: So how are you? He wass? dealing with the changes. I know you have a lot of

850
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,240
[Steve Barnes]: probably wouldn't get a book.

851
00:46:07,529 --> 00:46:08,529
[andrea_nannini]: different products.

852
00:46:11,809 --> 00:46:12,809
[andrea_nannini]: What are you?

853
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,640
[Steve Barnes]: So we are touched on this a little bit. Yeah, we touched on this a little bit.

854
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,280
[Steve Barnes]: Is we focus on where? is it going to be a crisis? Okay, because we like to

855
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,120
[Steve Barnes]: think of ourselves as after fort years, knowledgeable in the pool industry,

856
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,960
[Steve Barnes]: Um collectively, If if it goes into hundreds of years, I suppose, But at just

857
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,480
[Steve Barnes]: looking at where is the pool industry going to struggle? We don't want to

858
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,440
[Steve Barnes]: repeat of two thousand, eight, nine and ten. And so we focus on what are the

859
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,120
[Steve Barnes]: challenged pools? Well, that's a piece of pipe sticking up through concrete.

860
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,720
[Steve Barnes]: He, there's your source of your leak on your pool because the water just

861
00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:00,720
[Steve Barnes]: follows the pipe. Now. Um, and so we arew. we're We're very focused on water

862
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,880
[Steve Barnes]: to stop technology. And if you're just going to use a pipe we sell at glue on

863
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,680
[Steve Barnes]: water sops, ▁quit pools leaking because of its chemicals, and now chlorine. Oh

864
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,960
[Steve Barnes]: wait. we can't buy it. We have a drought. Oh, you know, so stopping leaks is

865
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,000
[Steve Barnes]: really really important and so a new construction. All our new stuff has water

866
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:25,280
[Steve Barnes]: sops, and that kind of a thing. So we use this knowledge to know where our

867
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,760
[Steve Barnes]: customers going to be in a bind that we focus on those products. So that's the

868
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:36,400
[Steve Barnes]: ten inch retrofit the square, and then Um, you know we have for for uh, the

869
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,600
[Steve Barnes]: unblockables for new construction and remodels, So we try to treeals. Okay,

870
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,080
[Steve Barnes]: what are they going to need first? and we've uh

871
00:47:44,149 --> 00:47:45,189
[andrea_nannini]: Got a question? Rudy

872
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,680
[Steve Barnes]: been focused on that testing.

873
00:47:47,246 --> 00:47:48,606
[rudy]: now waiting on you.

874
00:47:47,909 --> 00:47:50,469
[andrea_nannini]: waiting on me. Hold on. I lost my place.

875
00:47:55,566 --> 00:47:57,806
[rudy]: she has trets and a lot of other things.

876
00:47:56,709 --> 00:47:59,189
[andrea_nannini]: You know what? As funny as that I might,

877
00:48:01,826 --> 00:48:02,826
[rudy]: It's not funny.

878
00:48:02,229 --> 00:48:03,269
[andrea_nannini]: it's funny for me.

879
00:48:04,789 --> 00:48:05,989
[andrea_nannini]: Did we listen?

880
00:48:05,746 --> 00:48:06,746
[rudy]: Crank up the oven.

881
00:48:07,189 --> 00:48:11,189
[andrea_nannini]: So do we talk about? I think we talks about it a little bit about how the

882
00:48:11,669 --> 00:48:14,869
[andrea_nannini]: the products are going to change. Like are they going to be the the old

883
00:48:15,029 --> 00:48:18,069
[andrea_nannini]: products? Are they going to be the same as the new products?

884
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:31,760
[Steve Barnes]: I think, Generally speaking, that answer is yes, So we we have drain covers

885
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,840
[Steve Barnes]: that had a wall and floor rating the cover itself'. Not to change. It's

886
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,360
[Steve Barnes]: marking's going to change. Um. it's going to say V, g B A. Because we're

887
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,640
[Steve Barnes]: talking about Virginia Gra, Baker Act V G B

888
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,880
[Steve Barnes]: is a person, So that's one of the things that C, p. s. C in the family is

889
00:48:44,926 --> 00:48:47,326
[rudy]: I think that's a good idea to separate it.

890
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,680
[Steve Barnes]: actually have asked us to call Vj

891
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:59,600
[Steve Barnes]: v g B A ▁ v g B A, and the A federal law v G B is a a tragic story, Um. So

892
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,640
[Steve Barnes]: that marking instead of it could be a, s, M, e, a, p, s, p, v, g, B, two

893
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,640
[Steve Barnes]: thousand and all those kinds of markings you would see on covers currently

894
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,480
[Steve Barnes]: will be B, g, B, A, twenty seventeen. So it will just be that marking. they

895
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,560
[Steve Barnes]: will be more blockable or unblockable. At's a technical measurement and

896
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:23,280
[Steve Barnes]: testing thing that you don't you? you won't know in the field, so we'll tell

897
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,600
[Steve Barnes]: you battle beyond it. One of the big things is instead of saying Flow rating,

898
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,880
[Steve Barnes]: floor and wall, basically two numbers it, you' likely going to see four flow

899
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,960
[Steve Barnes]: rating C instructions, because as I mentioned are

900
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,320
[Steve Barnes]: at T or c f. r. I think it's got something like twenty to thirty fllo

901
00:49:37,086 --> 00:49:39,646
[rudy]: Can we back? come? we back up just a quick second here.

902
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,360
[Steve Barnes]: Raings, because it's designed for everything So

903
00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:41,806
[rudy]: could you explain

904
00:49:42,846 --> 00:49:46,926
[rudy]: in layman's terms the difference between blockable and unbockable drains?

905
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,600
[Steve Barnes]: sure, so an unloockable. Let me tell me start with a blockable drink. It's

906
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,480
[Steve Barnes]: easier visualize, so if you picture me, I'm an adult man and my shoulders

907
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,680
[Steve Barnes]: being eighteen inches wide from my shoulders to my belt being twenty three

908
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:16,160
[Steve Barnes]: inches. so that's the biggest area of person can blot up, and so a blockable

909
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,480
[Steve Barnes]: drain fits inside of that can be shalled, So if you do Pi lane down on Naing,

910
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,120
[Steve Barnes]: stray cover front back doesn't matter, it's easy to block an unblockable drain

911
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,560
[Steve Barnes]: pokes out in some direction, So if you have a thirty two inch channel drain,

912
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,720
[Steve Barnes]: it's going to stick out from under me in some direction. No matter how I lay

913
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:42,720
[Steve Barnes]: down or it could be, for example, a twenty four by Tw four. Well, that's big.

914
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,760
[Steve Barnes]: I can't cover it all, so unblockable means it sticks out in some direction.

915
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,200
[Steve Barnes]: The significance of that. there's It's too full. If it's unblockable in an

916
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,640
[Steve Barnes]: existing pool. You don't need a Backu device such as an s. B, r, s, or gravity

917
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,920
[Steve Barnes]: flow system than those automa pump Shawa, all those sayings that So if you

918
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:08,400
[Steve Barnes]: block a blockable drain and when the section goes real high, we have a way

919
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,720
[Steve Barnes]: toeviate that suction, so you don't get held down so that's you know, So

920
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,840
[Steve Barnes]: that's why the blockable ones stick up, and our trepzers kind of the thing. So

921
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,400
[Steve Barnes]: the unlockable sticks out from under it. Therefore they can be flat and flush

922
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,600
[Steve Barnes]: out to the floor of the pool. And that is, it's a two part. It's the physical

923
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,560
[Steve Barnes]: measurement I described, and then when that's blocked, what's the suction

924
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,000
[Steve Barnes]: force? So it's a two part

925
00:51:34,186 --> 00:51:35,186
[rudy]: Oh fantastic.

926
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:37,840
[Steve Barnes]: in the lab. There's no way to know that in the field. So now that's gonna be

927
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,720
[Steve Barnes]: in the instructions and marked on the prot. So if it says unblockable, I only

928
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,360
[Steve Barnes]: need one to comply with federal. A. Now, Some, a lot of the states and local

929
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,800
[Steve Barnes]: governments before we have these tests for D cutters said, we want two of em

930
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,480
[Steve Barnes]: three feet apart, so blockables, you have to have two of them three feet

931
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,320
[Steve Barnes]: apart. Unlockable you'll only need one. so it's tooth. You can.

932
00:52:00,366 --> 00:52:01,806
[rudy]: okay, fantastic, thank you,

933
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,600
[Steve Barnes]: only you can put one into the song and it won't

934
00:52:03,646 --> 00:52:04,926
[rudy]: hey, Andrea. what do you think

935
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,240
[Steve Barnes]: be flat and minute it can be flat. So

936
00:52:04,389 --> 00:52:08,469
[andrea_nannini]: Am? I am. I think did I get them mall? I think we talks about everything.

937
00:52:08,489 --> 00:52:09,489
[andrea_nannini]: didn't we?

938
00:52:11,086 --> 00:52:16,126
[rudy]: so? let me ask you this, Steve. I heard you like to blow stuff up in the sky. Is that

939
00:52:16,366 --> 00:52:20,126
[rudy]: true? Is there some pyroechnic thing going on here?

940
00:52:24,060 --> 00:52:25,060
[Steve Barnes]: I'm

941
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:28,300
[Steve Barnes]: I'm retired,

942
00:52:28,249 --> 00:52:29,249
[andrea_nannini]: Oh, cool.

943
00:52:28,306 --> 00:52:29,306
[rudy]: Wow,

944
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:33,520
[Steve Barnes]: but I shot uh fireworks professionally in Uh, Phoenix, Arizona for thirty

945
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:33,520
[Steve Barnes]: but I shot uh fireworks professionally in Uh, Phoenix, Arizona for thirty

946
00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:34,660
[Steve Barnes]: seven years,

947
00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:34,660
[Steve Barnes]: seven years,

948
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,440
[Steve Barnes]: Uh professional F. and it did. Yeah, it was. It was a blast.

949
00:52:39,006 --> 00:52:40,526
[rudy]: yeah, now, they' going to call it a

950
00:52:40,260 --> 00:52:41,260
[Steve Barnes]: Ah

951
00:52:40,426 --> 00:52:41,426
[rudy]: dad joke.

952
00:52:41,269 --> 00:52:43,589
[andrea_nannini]: that was a good Dad joke and all good

953
00:52:41,726 --> 00:52:46,206
[rudy]: So twenty years ago, twenty years ago you might have got away with it.

954
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,840
[Steve Barnes]: behind. Use that joke in decades, but now that I'm retired, I'm not worried

955
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:46,960
[Steve Barnes]: about getting appled at work.

956
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,320
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, Oh, isn't that the truth?

957
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,000
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, yeah, I got busted on the podcast. Yeah, but yeah, did that for. Um. So

958
00:52:57,700 --> 00:52:58,700
[Steve Barnes]: all

959
00:52:58,286 --> 00:52:59,886
[rudy]: Oh, that's pretty cool. Okay

960
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,960
[Steve Barnes]: the big the it was televised. I did the big show in Phoenix for for decades

961
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,680
[Steve Barnes]: and so it be televised And you know on the fourth of July. Yeah, it's no

962
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,640
[Steve Barnes]: small. Uh, You talking about stress is knowing your on live T. V, and you

963
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,520
[Steve Barnes]: asked the producer for C. B, S. So if like, I hypothetically have a problem

964
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,520
[Steve Barnes]: and I can't cheat fireworks, What are you going to do And it's like we have no

965
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,480
[Steve Barnes]: plan B? I was like, Oh, this is my. This was my very first live televised. I.

966
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,200
[Steve Barnes]: I would reret asking that question. I was. I mean it was. It was a hundred and

967
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,280
[Steve Barnes]: twenty degrees off, but I was sweating

968
00:53:33,586 --> 00:53:34,586
[rudy]: now,

969
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,360
[Steve Barnes]: a bubble sweping, after learning that I was like, Don't you have like I Love

970
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,040
[Steve Barnes]: Lucy reruns or something?

971
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,480
[Steve Barnes]: Good news is that that show went off Um without a hitch After that man, you

972
00:53:41,006 --> 00:53:45,646
[rudy]: I did have one final question and I know you' very very passionate about the

973
00:53:45,726 --> 00:53:51,806
[rudy]: entrapment issues And there's a reason you are so passionate about these entrament

974
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:47,100
[Steve Barnes]: know,

975
00:53:52,046 --> 00:53:54,046
[rudy]: issues. Would you mind sharing that with everybody

976
00:53:55,086 --> 00:53:56,766
[rudy]: if you don't have to, if you don't want to?

977
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:03,500
[Steve Barnes]: Sure,

978
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,800
[Steve Barnes]: no, No, I, I didn't say anything for many many decades. I was entpped in a

979
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,920
[Steve Barnes]: public pool for a mo a minute and ten seconds. Um, and I did not say anything

980
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,960
[Steve Barnes]: for years because I've been so heavily involved in making design and testing

981
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,040
[Steve Barnes]: drink coters, and I didn't want people to be. Oh, he's just an anti smoking.

982
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,360
[Steve Barnes]: ▁zealot, kind of thing right, but the the, The short version of this, there's

983
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,440
[Steve Barnes]: a water park contemporary ▁zone, called Big Surf and it's a wall, the filt in

984
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:36,320
[Steve Barnes]: sixties hundred and ten thousand gallons, And it takes a mi. uh, you know, and

985
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,560
[Steve Barnes]: they pump at full water and then you open it opens and the boal and it can

986
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:45,920
[Steve Barnes]: create a wave big enough to surfle And so that filling that wall takes a

987
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,560
[Steve Barnes]: minute and ten seconds. And me, I was mouthing then, too, and a lifeguard and

988
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,520
[Steve Barnes]: I were bantering back and forth about what a great olympic

989
00:54:53,386 --> 00:54:54,386
[rudy]: Oh, wow,

990
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,440
[Steve Barnes]: swimmer I was and he wanted to prove it wrong. Says hereer, Swim behind the

991
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:03,120
[Steve Barnes]: line and go down to that drain thing. And I foolishly did that. And so I'm

992
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,600
[Steve Barnes]: standing on the drain. It's like the size of a door, you know, four foot by

993
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,480
[Steve Barnes]: eight foot kind of a thing, and I'm standing on it

994
00:55:10,709 --> 00:55:12,149
[andrea_nannini]: We do. we do.

995
00:55:11,086 --> 00:55:12,366
[rudy]: you can. We have a blep.

996
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,680
[Steve Barnes]: and the water's blasting down over the top of me and I'm thinking you're well.

997
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:22,320
[Steve Barnes]: I, I will cuss on on the air, but I was not as its. A. I mean, you're an

998
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,960
[Steve Barnes]: assul. What did you do you now? and then? The other thing is is don't don't

999
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,680
[Steve Barnes]: coll. I knew I could hold my breath, but uh, From what for a longer I was

1000
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,080
[Steve Barnes]: like, Don't fall down. He' knock the wind out of me. And so the minute ten

1001
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,400
[Steve Barnes]: seconds was up the water. Sos brieflyly for that way, Then I swam away,

1002
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,840
[Steve Barnes]: somehow was smart enough to get away from it. and then uh later when we

1003
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,040
[Steve Barnes]: started designing drains and they're like, Oh, we just need a piece of pipe

1004
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,680
[Steve Barnes]: and before of the pool. like No, no, no, no, no, no, this is way more

1005
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,520
[Steve Barnes]: complicated than that And this was before the drink cover standardd existed

1006
00:55:53,486 --> 00:55:57,406
[rudy]: I think I think knowing the story behind your passion doesn't take away from it and

1007
00:55:55,540 --> 00:55:56,540
[Steve Barnes]: like ten eighty seven,

1008
00:55:57,026 --> 00:55:58,026
[rudy]: only

1009
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,760
[Steve Barnes]: so that that was a big factor.

1010
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:58,709
[andrea_nannini]: Yeah, that's terrifying.

1011
00:55:57,726 --> 00:56:01,806
[rudy]: adds to it, And maybe that's just a change in society. You know

1012
00:56:02,926 --> 00:56:07,966
[rudy]: I'm old. I'm not going to say anything else, but I'm old and you know it was different

1013
00:56:08,206 --> 00:56:11,726
[rudy]: back, but I think nowadays people really appreciate the fact, knowing that you know

1014
00:56:11,806 --> 00:56:16,286
[rudy]: you're doing what you do and you can relate to these folks, at least on some level,

1015
00:56:16,606 --> 00:56:22,446
[rudy]: the ones that had you know really really bad scares and stuff. And I just think that

1016
00:56:22,366 --> 00:56:28,686
[rudy]: that adds a lot more to Um, especially being part of the design of it, Knowing

1017
00:56:30,206 --> 00:56:33,806
[rudy]: this needs to be perect. Because, and you actually have that feeling, You know what I

1018
00:56:33,886 --> 00:56:36,046
[rudy]: mean. So I, I think that's amazing.

1019
00:56:42,020 --> 00:56:43,020
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah,

1020
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,640
[Steve Barnes]: it's life changing when you realize you're a position that

1021
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,160
[Steve Barnes]: if something doesn't change, you're not going to survive. In this case, I knew

1022
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,440
[Steve Barnes]: the wave was coming and that was my opportunity. Plus the lifeguard was doing

1023
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,000
[Steve Barnes]: a dance on this tower, ready to come in. as he saw, was talking to the Se. The

1024
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,600
[Steve Barnes]: end story on that, no one ever said anything like twenty thirty forty people

1025
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,920
[Steve Barnes]: watching at the edge of this water. And so I break the surfe and everyone's

1026
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,640
[Steve Barnes]: gone and I looking so climbing up the stairs and all I see is a pair of red

1027
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:22,560
[Steve Barnes]: shorts surrounded by a group of people. Two dad types have this lifeguard.

1028
00:57:22,426 --> 00:57:23,426
[rudy]: Oh yeah.

1029
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,480
[Steve Barnes]: His feet were touching the ground and they walked them up to the

1030
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:27,300
[Steve Barnes]: administration.

1031
00:57:27,246 --> 00:57:29,326
[rudy]: I hope they smack the shit out of that kid.

1032
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,960
[Steve Barnes]: A long time. Minute is a long long time. So there,

1033
00:57:30,906 --> 00:57:31,906
[rudy]: Seriously?

1034
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,000
[Steve Barnes]: Lots of but the crazy things. no one ever said a

1035
00:57:33,689 --> 00:57:34,689
[andrea_nannini]: Yeah,

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00:57:33,820 --> 00:57:34,820
[Steve Barnes]: word to me.

1037
00:57:35,246 --> 00:57:37,246
[rudy]: that's true. That is true. Well,

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00:57:37,460 --> 00:57:38,460
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah,

1039
00:57:38,146 --> 00:57:39,146
[rudy]: Steve. let

1040
00:57:39,086 --> 00:57:44,526
[rudy]: me, uh, thank you for being here. If our, if our listeners want to find out more

1041
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,320
[Steve Barnes]: this day and age If it happened and somebody else would on the waterbard,

1042
00:57:45,086 --> 00:57:49,806
[rudy]: information about the changes that were made to the Virginia Grand Baker Act, where

1043
00:57:50,046 --> 00:57:51,966
[rudy]: should they look? where are they going to find? That,

1044
00:57:55,486 --> 00:57:56,766
[rudy]: Is it on your website

1045
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,800
[Steve Barnes]: Well, we're the. Yeah. there's some. I'm I. I'm scratching my brand. I'm not

1046
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,960
[Steve Barnes]: sure we do a big history on it. We definitely have a compliance, you know

1047
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,320
[Steve Barnes]: section on our website, The Aqura Star Pool products with an N dot com.

1048
00:58:13,646 --> 00:58:17,646
[rudy]: and we're going to have a link. We're going to leave a link in the description for you

1049
00:58:17,466 --> 00:58:18,466
[rudy]: guys. Also,

1050
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,640
[Steve Barnes]: Certainly on all other products, Um

1051
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,400
[Steve Barnes]: specific details. Yeah, so

1052
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:31,120
[Steve Barnes]: so we have a big, frequently asked questions that we're working on And so

1053
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:36,320
[Steve Barnes]: they' will'll be a lot of information. Um, the government website is pool

1054
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:42,320
[Steve Barnes]: safely, Dot go, and that dates back to two thousand, So that's and it's pretty

1055
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,600
[Steve Barnes]: thin now. Um, it's more drowning prevention kind of stuff. But there is the

1056
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:52,480
[Steve Barnes]: history of the V g B Act, Um, and you can find links on how the law actually

1057
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,880
[Steve Barnes]: changed. Kind of that. The pool and hot Tub Alliance is the standard

1058
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:02,560
[Steve Barnes]: developer. They have a lot of information. So if you go to Ph T a dot Org,

1059
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,680
[Steve Barnes]: you'll you know Pool safely, P, ph, h, P, A dot, or will give you some really

1060
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,920
[Steve Barnes]: good background in general information, But relative to when you want to say,

1061
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:17,040
[Steve Barnes]: what do I do with this pool? This spa, Um, you basically have to start. What.

1062
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,080
[Steve Barnes]: What's the size of the Dra cover? Who makes these kinds of things and go to

1063
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,240
[Steve Barnes]: their website to find the information Because it's very. It's It's like

1064
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:27,300
[Steve Barnes]: changing pumps and

1065
00:59:26,986 --> 00:59:27,986
[rudy]: you can

1066
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,000
[Steve Barnes]: motors right. We talk about swapping M pumps and motor. You can't just go to

1067
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,000
[Steve Barnes]: Home Depot and buy a motor. Put it on a pool pump and hope it works. Uh,

1068
00:59:35,820 --> 00:59:36,820
[Steve Barnes]: drake.

1069
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,440
[Steve Barnes]: I, I don't think you can you. You're welcome to try and then pools

1070
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:39,989
[andrea_nannini]: so I just want to say one thing

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00:59:39,826 --> 00:59:40,826
[rudy]: awesome.

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00:59:40,149 --> 00:59:44,549
[andrea_nannini]: real quick. It's pool safely Dot Gove, I actually made the mistake one time

1073
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:46,640
[Steve Barnes]: professional mobilia, But uh, yeah, so it's a. It's complicated but

1074
00:59:44,629 --> 00:59:48,629
[andrea_nannini]: of going to pool safely Dot Org, and that does' not exist. So if you want to

1075
00:59:46,580 --> 00:59:47,580
[Steve Barnes]: manageable.

1076
00:59:48,629 --> 00:59:52,709
[andrea_nannini]: go to that website, it's poll Safely Dove. And if you want to hear about

1077
00:59:52,869 --> 00:59:56,629
[andrea_nannini]: Abigail Taylor's story, which Rudy and I actually mentioned both of those

1078
00:59:56,789 --> 01:00:01,749
[andrea_nannini]: websites in our episode about Drowning prevention, that's Abbey's hope. A b

1079
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[andrea_nannini]: b e y s

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[andrea_nannini]: Dot Org. So just make sure you get the difference between the Dot Org and

1081
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:13,429
[andrea_nannini]: the Dot Gove, Because I mess it up when I, when I tried to list it and I had

1082
01:00:13,489 --> 01:00:14,489
[andrea_nannini]: to fix it, So

1083
01:00:16,626 --> 01:00:17,626
[rudy]: all right,

1084
01:00:20,809 --> 01:00:21,809
[andrea_nannini]: yes it can.

1085
01:00:24,626 --> 01:00:25,626
[rudy]: everybody,

1086
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,360
[Steve Barnes]: Yeah, yeah, I've heard stories about messing up the dot com with Do go Can to

1087
01:00:25,886 --> 01:00:31,966
[rudy]: Steve Barnes, Science and Compliance director at Aquest Star products, thank you for

1088
01:00:29,260 --> 01:00:30,260
[Steve Barnes]: be dangerous.

1089
01:00:32,126 --> 01:00:36,926
[rudy]: being with a Steve. If anybody has any questions that you have for Steve, definitely,

1090
01:00:37,486 --> 01:00:41,486
[rudy]: Um, you can email them directly over at Aquest Star Products, or if you get something

1091
01:00:41,646 --> 01:00:46,366
[rudy]: to us over here at Talking Pools Dot Com are, Excuse me at Talking Pools at G, Ml Dot

1092
01:00:45,929 --> 01:00:46,929
[andrea_nannini]: Yeah,

1093
01:00:46,446 --> 01:00:48,126
[rudy]: com. Right, You guys were talking

1094
01:00:47,729 --> 01:00:48,729
[andrea_nannini]: uhhuh,

1095
01:00:48,206 --> 01:00:53,086
[rudy]: about U Rl stuff, but uh, talking polls at G Ml Dot Com. We' make sure that Steve gets

1096
01:00:53,246 --> 01:00:57,086
[rudy]: it and maybe uh, Steve will come back and answer your questions on the show.

1097
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,880
[Steve Barnes]: I'd love to. Yeah, we took sweet scotish out all over the place. Luly was

1098
01:01:10,709 --> 01:01:11,829
[andrea_nannini]: Well, I appreciate your,

1099
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:16,160
[Steve Barnes]: entertaining an alle, But we can certainly provide more information in the

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[rudy]: Thank you, Steve.

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01:01:12,149 --> 01:01:16,469
[andrea_nannini]: your you sharing the story with us, too. That was. You know a pretty intense

1102
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,360
[Steve Barnes]: future because this is our journey, not a destination.

1103
01:01:16,709 --> 01:01:20,389
[andrea_nannini]: thing to go with, so I can't imag to go through. I'm sorry, I, so I can't

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[andrea_nannini]: imagine, but thanks for being on the show.

1105
01:01:33,486 --> 01:01:35,326
[rudy]: Okay, I'm going to stop it now.

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[Steve Barnes]: My pleas. Certainly that experience formed my opinion that this is a solvable

1107
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,320
[Steve Barnes]: problem. We just have to research it and get it done. And we there.