Peter & Shane: It's Dark After Work

Today's Peterism: "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part." 
Peter and Shane contemplate the age old mystery of why people think they can just squeeze themselves into a fully booked schedule.
Peter battles stubborn mustard algae.

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SPEAKER_00 0:55

G'day folks, Peter here. Welcome back to Monday's Gem Under on the Talking Pools podcast where I'm joined by Shane. G'day Shane, how are you mate?

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Oh I'm not too bad, Peter, I'm a little bit lucky today, but I'm alright. It's Friday, end of the week, thank God.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Yes, it's I'm here.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

It's on it's alright. Um I was saying earlier that for the moment, for us, it's late October. For the last few weeks, it's already been like the last couple of weeks anyway, it's felt like December. It's felt like the lead up to Christmas where everyone wants their pool done. Um the number of phone calls, emails, messages I'm getting, hey, can you come and sort out my pool? Uh it's like the world's about to end. So I like the lead up to Christmas, in other words.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Pretty much. It was like that last week. Uh last weekend was a holiday over here, Labour weekend. It's it's kind of classed as the unofficial, official start to the swimming season as such. So the build-up, usually the week leading into it, that's when the phone starts ringing and the emails start coming through. Can you get the boat ready for Labour Weekend? Um, yeah, Labour weekend. It's like you've had all this time every year.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

The thing I live by, and you it's hard to say this to a customer, but what I live by is a lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. Yep. Um when and I think we might have spoken about this last week. When people say, Oh, what do you mean you're fully booked? You you must be able to sneak another job in. Well, no, fully booked means fully booked. Oh, can you come early in the morning? No, I'm already booked early in the morning. Can you come after work? No, it's dark after work, that's it. So uh part of fully booked, don't you understand? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. If you get a cancellation, can you come out and sort my pool? I'll put you on the list. You're currently number 37. Yeah. On a lighter note, though, both me and my technician, young man in his early 20s, today on separate jobs, we both got hit on.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Now he is the winner in this round. Uh he was at a customer's place, lovely, lovely people. And uh lady there, I've known her for years, looked after a pool for years. Really nice. Her daughter is a gorgeous girl, and again, beautiful personality. And uh the customer offered to set my uh my technician up on a blind date with her daughter. I just don't know what her what his girlfriend's gonna think about it. Um he won that round. Uh I got quite seriously flirted with by a uh a lady, again, very nice, but uh pushing 70 years of age. So um no. Just no. So doesn't it?

SPEAKER_02 4:25

It's amazing. Uh it's amazing that she still go in for it at that age. You know, you gotta give her credit for that. Without a doubt.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Oh you gotta get the hell out of there, that's what you gotta do. Yeah. Anyway. So why are you so knackered? Why are you why are you beaten up? What's the week brought for you?

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Oh, lots of digging, lots of leaking pools, lots of digging, lots of trenches, lots of tree roots, lots of concrete, all the good stuff which comes with uh you know trying to trying to figure out where a leak's coming from and uh trying to fix it. It's part of the job, unfortunately, but yeah, today was a whole day of digging, just trying to expose um a return line to cut and rejoin on. Um if you can imagine around the walkway around a swimming pool, it's um it's it's like a tiered, sorry, it's like a um a kidney-shaped pool, concrete pool. There's a walkway that goes all the way around it, it's probably about a meter wide, roughly three uh three foot wide. Um and it's it appears that the uh the return line is pretty hard up against the bomb beam, which uh makes it quite challenging. So um there were sections of this walkway that got marrow, and I was hoping it would be around that point. Do you know when you look at a job and you try and you try and visualize where you think the installer may have laid the pipe? I'm sure you've had a few of them, and you dig in that point, nothing. You try point B. No, it's not there. So yeah, there was a few A B C D points dug up today, and then by the end of it, it was we'll just we'll just do a brand new trench and um yeah, we'll go to plan B on this one. So yeah, neat uh neat.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Whenever practical. Yeah, whenever practical, I always try to follow the pipe from one end to another. For example, if it looks like a suction leak, I'll start at the skimmer box, go to the pump. Or start at the pump, go to the skimmer.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Because uh some of these jobs make absolutely no sense. You're completely correct about the bond beams. Uh we see that largely with certain brands of fiberglass pulls. Uh the way that we make pools for the local market here, if it's going just locally, they've got an edge beam with a 45-degree brace on them, typically, they've got ribs on the sides, they go in the ground, you backfill them, and they're fine. But when they make them for export, they won't have ribs, they'll just have flat, basically rather than using a half-round piece of cardboard that they then mould fiberglass over uh or spray glass over, they'll make it a flat sheet, so it's a very, very minor rib, and they won't put any bracing under the edge beam at all. They put it on the ground and they need the concrete bond beam to give the strength. And so many times I've found that the bond beam surrounds or partially surrounds the pipe itself, and that just makes it really, really difficult to do anything with it. I've had a couple of those where the customer wanted the equipment relocated. And you just have to say, well, this is going to be a fairly major job. Uh it's not just, you know, put a couple of expansion plugs to block off the pipe at each end. This is we're going to partially drain the pool so we can replace the whole fitting, the returns, the skimmer, whatever it may be. Because otherwise we've got no way of fixing to that pipe reliably. Especially if the bond beam has constricted or compacted the compressed the uh I'll get the right word eventually, compressed the pipe and put it slightly out of shape. So you can't um it's not a perfect circle, so a fitting won't necessarily go onto it. That's um that that can turn a two-hour job into a two-day job very, very easily.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Sorry, you just throw if you throw with um a few tree roots in there as well. Yeah, and it just yeah, mine's our name. Uh that just adds to it. The beer's kicking in now.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Yeah. Um I also find often pool light cables going through that concrete. Uh, because over here, most of the pools don't have their light cable running conduit for some stupid reason. Well, cost cutting. That's all it is. Yeah. Um, I am not a fan of pool light cables.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Which that that does puzzle me why they want to try and just save a little bit of money on conduit. I mean, it's not that expensive. And you're running a few meters of it. So for the sake of you know, maybe a hundred dollars maximum, you know, you could save so much pain going forward if there is an issue.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

But the pain isn't to them. The pool builder isn't the repair guy, isn't the service tech, isn't the lighting company if if there are any specialists in that. Um I think it could be largely because over here we're so used to the retrofit lights, where you just rip the old light off, pull it up to the surface, there's enough cable at the back, cut that, rejoin a new light on, stick a new bracket on the wall, and stick it in that way so you don't often have to pull a pull a cable, uh as they they often talk about on the US episodes. Yeah. Um it's a funny thing, lights though. Do you ever notice that certain types of jobs happen all of a sudden and then nothing? It's almost like they happen in waves. A couple of weeks ago I did a whole bunch of solar heating controls. Now, partially that's because the weather started warming up and people were realizing that they um realizing their solar heating wasn't working. Uh pumps, of course, are right through the time. Uh at the moment, a big lot of saltwater chlorinate is being replaced. Uh, did one this morning. The old one was probably 20 years old, so it was it was time. Um got to the job though to have a look at it, and I could see immediately there's just no power output from the power supply, the timer wasn't working, the switches weren't right, the cell plates were starting to warp. I said, Look, fixing it's just a band-aid job. Um, you've got to replace it. Yeah. And uh I'm seeing that a hell of a lot. Uh but pool lights are another thing. I might do you know a dozen pull lights in a week. Then for the next two, three weeks I won't even no one will even mention it. Uh next week I've got about half a dozen already booked, and there'll probably be more. Yeah. So it's um it's really weird how it happens like that.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

Yeah. Yeah, I know what you mean. So again, yeah, well, it's the same with leaks, leaking pools. They've they've all seemed to come through at the same time now in the last two weeks. But then it's it's it's drying up, the grain's getting drier, so it's inevitable.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I've got my commercial pool equipment consultant calling me. He can wait. Sorry, Hamish. Um of his co-workers who listen to the podcast are gonna have a laugh at that one. Yeah. Um, seeing he's returning my call that he missed. Um, a lot of green pools. Yeah. Hell of a lot of green pools at the moment. Uh, weather at the moment is it's an unseasonably hot October. Uh week or two ago we had the hottest October day since the 1960s.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

So it was 35, what's that? I'm guessing it's up around the low 80s in uh sorry, low 90s in Fahrenheit. Uh, and then straight back to mid-20s for a few days, uh, about 70-ish Fahrenheit. So um people are starting to, as soon as they hear the forecast, they go outside, see their pools green immediately on the phone, or even better, they'll hear that on a Tuesday, Friday afternoon at 4 p.m., they'll ring me saying, Oh, I've got a pool party tomorrow. Uh that's nothing new around the world. Um, but what does get me is a few people I've had lately, they've called me out, oh my pool just needs a clean. And I go through all the normal questions, you know, what conditions it in, is it is there any algae? Is there a lot of leaves, a lot of dirt, anything that might indicate it's more than a standard service? And when they say no, and I get there and I find out a few times it's been a green pool, and I'm talking thick pea soup. Uh it didn't happen overnight. It's it it's been bad for a while. Uh and I just say to them, why didn't you tell me this? I haven't allowed the time for it. I can't put the next three customers off while I work on this. Um, I can't come back and then in a reasonable time because I'm I'm fully booked, and yes, that includes early in the morning or on the way home from work. Um that's one that's really challenging. Basically, having to tell a customer as politely as possible, you lied to me, get stuffed. As I say, as politely as possible. Um also had one honing dust removal, you know, where they pour the concrete around a pool and they grind it off to a smoother texture. I've had some of those where it's half an hour of initial treatment, then you go back a second time, vacuum it to waste, uh, acid wash the above the water line, you're done. Recently finished one, uh you know, must have been out there eight or ten times. And we've had a few of those lately where the concrete workers are just sloppy as. When they tell me the pool just needs to clean, there's a bit of dust in the bottom that doesn't account for three inches of cement dust caking the bottom of the pool. So again, that's a um a challenge that we do face every year this time, this time of year. And again, I'm sure it's the same with uh with all of us in the industry around the world. Um obviously the other side of the year for the northern hemisphere. But um yeah, going out to look at a job after we record here, it's just a few minutes up the road. But uh I was recommended to a property manager. I saw him out at a job, green pooled, pretty straightforward, not a big big deal, uh, but he's gonna need some equipment replaced. And he said, Oh, I like the way you do this. Then I just started getting work orders emailed through. And it's like, dude, speak to me about them first, because I don't know how to fit them in. One of them I'm gonna look at, uh, the way the uh the tenant spoke to me, it's a big old concrete pool. How big he doesn't know, but he says it's pretty big. Apparently there's about a foot of brown water in the bottom of it, and he thinks there's a leak.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

I've got no way of finding a leak in a pool that's only got a foot of water in it. Um depending how long it's been like that. If that's been empty for years, there's every chance there's going to be leaks somewhere. So um yeah, I'll be having fun on that one.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Yeah, that doesn't sound like a uh very appetizing one to go to.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

Oh, look, the brown water. Generally I find these easier to clean out when they're full of water. So that's right, stick the hose in, nuke it with chlorine, uh, get chemical, you know, balance it within parameters where the chlorine's gonna work. So in other words, balance it. Uh and then the cleanup shouldn't be too bad, depending what staining there is. So I look forward to seeing what the condition of the render is. Is there any render left on the pool or is it just bare concrete? If it's an old pool and it's been maintained for 20, 30 years by someone with the approach of all you need is acid and salt, uh, then the water would have been as corrosive as hell, and we do see pools without any render left on them at all.

SPEAKER_02 18:05

Do you get do you come across many um leaking pools yourself? Do a lot of clients contact you in regards to that?

SPEAKER_00 18:15

Not too many. What I find the biggest cause of leaks, uh uh the biggest cause of leaks to be is a faulty spider gasket in a multi-port valve. I would say that seven out of ten of the pools where people say it's leaking, it's either that or there's a union somewhere, especially down the bottom of a cartridge filter in a hard-to-find spot. Um that's often a big cause of leaks. Uh and as I tell people, part of your general maintenance should be just having a look at the unions. Are they leaking? If so, tighten them up. If that doesn't fix it, replace the O-ring. Uh that's something we do as part of standard service. If we see a leak, we look at it. If we need to replace an O-ring, then it's yeah, just replace the O-ring and stick it on the invoice. Uh, I've never been challenged on oh sorry, once somebody said, Oh, you never got me to authorise that expense. I said, Look, you weren't there, it needed to be done, you complained about a leak, I fixed it. What's the problem? Not the type of person I want to keep on as a customer.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

No, definitely not. You also mentioned go on. I was just wanting to say, was there any other interesting jobs that you had this week?

SPEAKER_00 19:41

It's been too bloody busy to take note of them, to be honest. Um for the most part, fairly straightforward. Um, a lot of servicing, a lot of um as the weather's changing, a lot of people, oh, my pool's son to get a little bit of algae in it. We're finding a big run of uh algae that normal chlorination doesn't treat. Yes. So salt system won't maintain it. A lot of that's to do with phosphates in the water. Uh salt system won't do it, liquid chlorine won't sometimes won't attack it. So then we either go uh dichlor or trichlore. I find that a bit more aggressive on some sorts of forms of algae. Um copper, I've never used as much copper algae in my life, but that's all that seems to work on some of these strains of algae, especially those on the yellow to brown spectrum. Um in fact, I've got my guy out on a job. Uh he just left it just before we started recording. Uh he flipped me a message, and that one's mustard algae. Uh salt system isn't handling it, liquid chlorine isn't handling it, trichlor isn't handling it. I just said, fuck it, nuke it, get this get the C5 out, get the um uh chlorine dioxide. That's gonna fix it. Uh, if it doesn't get fixed by chlorine dioxide with a free chlorine of 10 parts per million and a pH of 7.4, not much on the planet is going to nuke this thing. Uh I lost patience with this this pull. Uh that algae is being nasty, so I'm gonna be very nasty back.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

You do get those pools every now and then every now and then. You know, the ones that are just really tedious.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

A beautiful pool. But what happened is the owners went away, lovely people. Yeah. Best best people you could ever meet. They went away, had a house sitter, and they said, make sure you take the pool cover off, the bubble blanket off, for at least a full 24-hour day once a week. That's exactly how I tell people for the summer here. Otherwise, chlorine level can get extremely high, chloramine levels can get extremely high, things can just turn to absolute crap. So take it off, not that hard. They were away, I believe, for two months. The blanket was on the whole time. My go got there for a regular service and um pulled the cover off, it was green. So um a few different types of algae in that one.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

Yeah, I can imagine. You can imagine the uh the temperature of the water would have been would have been up there as well. If you're having all this decent weather, um being a bubble cover as well, attracting you know a good amount of heat from the sun. There'd be a good temperature in that water.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

Some of them are heating up a lot. Uh in fact, it reminds me of a while ago I had one job where their solar system was um was stuffed. Uh it just kept running all day long. They had a blanket on it. Temperatures at the time are around about 40 Celsius, that's just over 40 Celsius, that's 104 Fahrenheit. But this pool, when I put the thermometer in, I took started taking the blanket off. I thought that is uncomfortably hot. Put the thermometer in, and from memory at first it was something like 48 Celsius this water. That's 118 Fahrenheit. By the time I got my phone out to photograph it, the blanket was off and started cooling down, it was down to about 44 111 Fahrenheit. So that was a difficult one. I said just leave the cover off for at least two, three days. Just let that heat dissipate. That was one where I changed the solar controller. But that chap rang me about a week later saying, I really need your help. And I said, What's up? He said, I've got people coming over tomorrow. And I thought, oh yeah, here we go, another one of these. He said, I've just dropped uh just dropped a tub of chlorine in the pool. Now, when I said uh a tub, what do you mean? This is about a 20,000 litre pool, so about 5,000 gallons roughly. Yes. Um he dumped an entire 10 kilo uh 10 kilo bucket of uh calhypo.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

That's 22 pounds in a 5,000 gallon pool. So chlorine level was up through the roof, but I carry sodium thiosulfate, which a lot of people here don't, and I think we should. Um managed to get it down in time for his party the next day. But uh we do we do see stuff ups like that, and I mean who hasn't dropped something back when I was beginning at this there a couple of times or dropped something, so crap, that shouldn't be in the pool. Not that much of it anyway. Um same as who hasn't left a hose running in a pool to top it up.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

Oh yeah. I'm not a couple of times.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

I think we've all done that. I used to follow the advice of always leave your keys on the tap so you can't get back in your truck without going back to the tap and you remember to turn it off.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

That worked really well until the customer's dog went and chased and chomped down on my keys and broke the remote control for the uh unlocking the truck. So um now I just setting a reminder on my phone.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Wise, mate.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Hey?

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Very wise.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Oh, yeah. But um you also mentioned something bad drainage. You were relocating some equipment because of bad drainage.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

Hmm. So yeah, next Friday we've got a job coming up as a couple of us, me and a friend of mine. Um it's uh equipment relocation. So the pool was installed last year. Um it's one of the pools that has an in-floor cleaning system. So there's pipes here, there, and everywhere. Um but the equipment was it's installed, uh it was installed below water level, and it's almost like um it's like a sealed uh how do you call it? It's like a it's almost like somebody's dug out a deep trench, actually. It wasn't me. And they put everything on yeah, pit and they put everything on the floor, um, but there's zero drainage uh um inside this pit, and uh obviously with with the bad weather that we've had earlier this year, um two cyclones coming in, everything was completely flooded, uh pumps were a write-off. Um so did an on-site visit a few months ago, he's managed to get everything for insurance, but now he wants the ins you know, basically the entire pad relocated about six meters away in a shed, weatherproofed, um away from all the elements, as it should have been initially.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Yeah. There was a an equipment manufacturer a few years ago. I'm thinking Emox, but don't hold me to that. Uh and they developed an underground pad for equipment, and it was neatly enough set up, but it was in this plastic container, and it had some drainage holes in it, but they were woefully inadequate. And I found two things on a couple of jobs with those, they were never very popular. One of them, all the little drainage holes had clogged up, so the thing flooded, half filled up with water. There was another one where they didn't account for the high water table, the high groundwater level, and groundwater actually got into the equipment. Um but I've I've seen others where there hasn't been the drainage at the bottom, water's built up with a leak. Uh, I've seen the same thing in underground, uh you know the in-ground blanket rolls. We've got essentially an aluminium tube going along and rollers on a mechanism in that for the blanket to go on and off.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

And yeah, some of those I've seen don't have any drainage in them at all, and you see water start to build up in them. Uh generally, it's only from rain getting in, which if it's sealed properly at the top shouldn't be a major concern. But the worst ones are the ones where people dig their own pit, brick up the sides of it, and they think, oh, a nice concrete base for the roller to sit on would be good. And yeah, I've seen plenty of those flood, especially when they have timber decking over the top. Plenty of rain can get in, plenty of splashing, and um you've just got this stagnant water sitting there, which is never a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 29:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

But so when you mentioned bad drainage, I'll never forget a job that I did, I'm guessing, 10-15 years ago. It was a new pool installed, fiberglass pool. And my advice was always uh we'll work out the conversion here, 80 millimeters, is always keep the paving around the pool or the backyard paving at least 80 millimeters lower than the floor, finished floor level in your home. Because that means if there's heavy rain or a bit of flooding, you've got that 80 millimeter buffer. It's rare to get water up to that level, it'll drain off somewhere normally in that time. Uh major flood excluded. The lady of this house wanted everything to be flush, so she wanted to be able to walk from her living room out onto the paving in the patio, out to the pool, and not have any change in level. She said, I don't like steps, I just want it dead level. Right. I explained why it's a really bad idea. Her husband explained to her why it's a really bad idea. She insisted, got someone else out to do the the this was uh concrete that she poured from memory, uh concrete paving. And um about three weeks, three, four weeks later after it was done, oh at first she said, I got someone to do it the way I want it, and I'm happy, I'm not happy with what your advice, this is wonderful. And about three, four weeks later, her husband rang me. And he said, Can you please call my wife and tell her that you told her so? I said, What happened? There'd been massively heavy rains for a prolonged period, uh several days of bucketing rain. The backyard flooded, went straight into the house, destroyed their timber flooring, their carpets, their kitchen cabinets, everything. You bet I rang that woman, not to say I told you so, but to say, oh, just wondering how your pool's doing with the rain. She told me to fuck off and hung up the phone. So uh brilliant. No matter what, if you can't get anything else out of it, always try to look for a laugh. Definitely, especially when things are this. So you're not working on the weekend? I've got a weekend of paperwork. And one pool inspection for a house for sale uh tomorrow afternoon, tomorrow being Saturday. Big week next week, apart from your fill your equipment relocation?

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Yeah, so I need to finish this job off on Monday because I ran out of pipe work. Ran out of pipe, sorry. So um need to go back and need to organise a concrete cutter to cut um about a four-inch strip into the path next to the pump shed. So that one hopefully I can finish that one off next week, and then Friday the um equipment relocation. Um, but in between the week, I usually keep my Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursdays for my regular guides and then Mondays and Fridays for any service work, leak repairs, dive works, uh equipment relocation. So yeah, it's gonna be a busy week. Um I may have to do a quote tomorrow. There's somebody around the corner to call me up today, and they've got a leaking filter, so I might just pop around there and see what's going on. I try to avoid working weekends if I can, but the last couple of months have been quite slow. So I think I might need to pick up the pieces again now. We'll see how it goes.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

Yeah, at this stage we don't have a lot of unusual stuff, mostly regular servicing, couple of uh pad replacements, the complete equipment set. Um no doubt there'll be pumps, chlorinators, maybe even filters that need repair or replacement. Uh that always comes up last minute. Yeah. Uh you know, though you know there's you know the deal. Help, my pump's not working. Um but uh yeah, it's just scrolling through my schedule for the remaining time till Christmas, and it is gonna be busy.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

It's time to find that new employee.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

It's his yeah, well my guy, it's his f gonna be his first summer in the industry.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

And I said from now till Christmas it's gonna go by like a flash, gonna be a blur to you. So um I've completely cleared the schedule between Christmas and New Year. Uh I'll be available for a few uh uh just a few emergency jobs. Um replace a pump or whatever. Um but apart from that, here's visiting family for holiday, and I'm gonna collapse in a heap. So it's just gonna be Christmas Day. I've said I don't want to know about it. Yeah. Uh ask me to do anything you want around the house, my answer will be no. Um unless it's the kids. Well, I'm hoping. I'm hoping I'll have a time before then to actually get the damn thing set up. It's only been two and a half years.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

These things come to those.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Building job from hell. Ah, it won't take that long. It'll take me about probably half a day to clear up all the weeds and stuff that have grown up grown there uh to dig the uh rest of the pipes through. Run the pipes through an hour or two, uh hooking up the equipment. Uh I don't know, half a day, whatever it may be. Um but it's just finding that couple of days that's that's gonna be the challenge. And bringing the board. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

You haven't had any um new suppliers contacting you from China or anything like that, wanting you wanting to put their new system on your swimming pool? This marvellous chlorine-free system or anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

Oh. As soon as the uh we've talked before, as soon as I say chlorine-free, well, there's got to be something in there.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

You know, the whole natural pool. A lot of inquiries about natural pools lately. And I say, Oh, I know. Do you know about natural pools? I said, Yeah, we call them swamps. Um bad idea. Uh the chemical-free pools. Uh we get a lot of inquiries about that. Yeah. Um my response is simply my job is to make sure the pool is safe to swim in. You can't do that without chemicals. You just can't. Um, I suppose theoretically, if you were by the ocean, you could pump ocean water into the pool and have it drain out again. So constantly circulating, possibly not that's legal here, uh, you probably need some sort of you can get away with it. But um, doing away with some of the myths in the industry. So you know the myths like poor guys getting hit on by the woman of the house. The 70-year-olds. I still can't get over that. Anyway, I need to head off, look at a pool that is empty but for a foot of brown water in the bottom of it and leaking. So that'll be fun. I notice it's already into beer o'clock for you there, so have one for me. Well, mate, don't you worry. It's still two hours away from that. So it's energy drinks for me for the moment. But you have yourself a bloody good weekend. Rest up. See you, Peter.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Thank you. Take care and the words and heart. Alright. Cheers.